Obama Change Filled with Washington Insiders

Picking the best of Washington Insiders... the insiders circle...
but, but, but, didn't Obama say what? Change. Get away from Washington inside the beltway people and their thinking?

But these are the best of the best to appoint. Right.

Lieberman: Obama 'about perfect' in Cabinet picks Nov 26, 12:10 AM (ET) By PAT EATON-ROBB

Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman took another step Tuesday toward mending his relationship with Democrats, saying that Barack Obama's actions since winning the presidency have been "just about perfect."

"Everything that President-elect Obama has done since election night has been just about perfect, both in terms of a tone and also in terms of the strength of the names that have either been announced or are being discussed to fill his administration," Lieberman said during a visit to Hartford.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081126/D94MDMH00.html

Net the Truth Online

The Insider’s Crusade
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: November 21, 2008
Jan. 20, 2009, will be a historic day. Barack Obama (Columbia, Harvard Law) will take the oath of office as his wife, Michelle (Princeton, Harvard Law), looks on proudly. Nearby, his foreign policy advisers will stand beaming, including perhaps Hillary Clinton (Wellesley, Yale Law), Jim Steinberg (Harvard, Yale Law) and Susan Rice (Stanford, Oxford D. Phil.).

The domestic policy team will be there, too, including Jason Furman (Harvard, Harvard Ph.D.), Austan Goolsbee (Yale, M.I.T. Ph.D.), Blair Levin (Yale, Yale Law), Peter Orszag (Princeton, London School of Economics Ph.D.) and, of course, the White House Counsel Greg Craig (Harvard, Yale Law).

This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or at least that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even more than past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by those who graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy attacks the United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next four years, we’re screwed.

Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into focus. Its members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover them, three times if you include the columnists. They typically served in the Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to the comforts of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman Sachs, Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them send their kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in D.C., that they’ll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool line.

And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated Achievatrons (not to mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by highly trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the Obama transition.

The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is testimony to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks approved by the favored interest groups. They’re thinking holistically — there’s a nice balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They’re also thinking strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health and Human Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill Clinton did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.

Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more precise, they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/opinion/21brooks.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=barack+obama+economic+washington+insiders&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Transcript:
Obama closing argument speech. Transcript as delivered.
By Lynn Sweeton October 27, 2008 3:12 PM
I knew that the size of our challenges had outgrown the smallness of our politics. I believed that Democrats and Republicans and Americans of every political stripe were hungry for new ideas and new leadership and a new kind of politics, one that favors common sense over ideology, one that focuses on those values and ideals we hold in common as Americans. (Cheers, applause.)

Most of all, I believed in you. I believed in your ability to make change happen. I knew that the American people were a decent, generous people who are willing to work hard and sacrifice for future generations. (Cheers, applause.)

And I was absolutely convinced that when we come together, our voices are more powerful than the most entrenched lobbyists or the most vicious political attacks -- (cheers) -- or the full force of a status quo in Washington that wants to keep things just the way they are. (Cheers, applause.)

And Canton, 21 months later, my faith in the American people has been vindicated. That's how we've come so far, how we've come so close -- because of you. That's how we'll change this country -- with your help. That's why we cannot afford to slow down or sit back. We cannot let up for one day, or one minute, or one second in this last week. (Cheers, applause.) Not now, not when there's so much is at stake. One week. (Cheers, applause.)

We are in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. I don't have to tell you, Ohio; 760,000 workers have lost their jobs so far this year. Businesses and families can't get credit. Home values are falling. Pensions are disappearing. Wages are lower than they've been in a decade, at a time when the cost of everything from health care to college have never been higher. It's getting harder and harder to make the mortgage, or fill up your gas tank, or even keep the electricity on at the end of the month.

At a moment like this, the last thing we can afford is four more years of the tired, worn-out, old theory -- (cheers) -- that says -- that says we should give more to billionaires and big corporations and hope that prosperity trickles down on everybody else. The last thing -- the last thing we can afford is four more years where no one in Washington is watching anyone on Wall Street because politicians and lobbyists killed common-sense regulations. (Cheers.) Those are the theories that got us into this mess. They haven't worked, and it is time for change. And that's why I'm running for president of the United States of America. (Cheers, applause.)..

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/obama_closing_argument_speech_1.html

Obama Doesn't Know CFR member denies North American Union effort

Obama asked point blank about Council on Foreign Relations if he's a member and if his wife is a member.

And Obama says he doesn't know whether he is an 'official' member of the Council on Foreign Relations? He doesn't know? What do they just sign anybody up? Do they sign you on when you have a good chance of becoming elected President or before?

Worse, regarding the North American (Union) trans-intercontinental highway... running from Texas, across Texas, throughout the rest of the United States to who knows where, Obama says something like, with all due respect, this is the stuff people put on blogs... he doesn't think there is a conspiracy for a continental union...

Barack is asked about the CFR/NAU - Part 6 (3/31/08)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbV8duHcXX0

Barack Obama asked if he and wife are members CFR

the unofficial loose transcript here explains the laughter

Loose Transcript of Barack Obama's Speech in Lancaster County on March 31, 2008
Page 2 By Justin Quinn, About.com

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/2008presidentialelection/a/ObamaLancaster_2.htm

Unofficial transcript by Net the Truth Online

Lancaster Pennsylvania Obama Speech clip Oct. 3/31

Obama asked about CFR and North American Union

Questioner thanked for honoring wishes of the people not taking lobbyists money... clap it's been reported you and your wife are in the globalist CFR which is the Council on Foreign Relations... like to know if that's true... and where you stand on the North American Union... been confirmed in the Press, Ron Paul spoke about it and Congress spent some money on it a union like european union and merging of money system known as the Amero what's your opinion... where do you stand

CFR don't know if I'm not, the council on foreing relations I don't know if I'm an official member... I've spoken... basically it's a forum where talk about foreign policy... no official membership that I'm aware of... no card that I'm aware of... (not audible)(laughter, even by questioner)... in terms of this North American Union I know Ron Paul has talked about have to say with all due respect see no evidence of this actually taking place, something that has been ginned up on certain blogs on the internet... a highway being built in Texas that will facilitate more transportation and travel through Mexico... and intercontinental United States and Canada people perceive there will be this Union... like North American Union there is no evidence this is taking place... NAFTA helped to break down barriers to trade between western countries... I was opposed to that... (clapping) but I don't think there's some conspiracy to create this one continental government...between United States Canada and Mexico, but... ok...

clip ends...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbV8duHcXX0

Not a conspiracy? Well that might depend on what is the definition of an actual conspiracy versus a conspiracy theory vs a stated goal with ongoing activities some not expressly stated as leading to that stated goal.

there's a stated goal as long-noted and expressed for world union among independent nations. Everything else that happens is movement towards fulfilling that stated goal.

World Peace Through World Law. The book that states exactly what is afoot.

There's a stated purpose for North American borderless trade... no trade barriers... that's the idea...

Now there's also been discussion about a common currencey among nations of the world.

This is in fact a fact. The United Nations has pushed for just such a currency.

So will Obama put forth his public opposition to that United Nations goal?

One doesn't need to look exclusively to Ron Paul for commentary on the North American Union or pact that will undermine U.S. Sovereignty. In fact, we have been a bit wary of Paul because he was asked point blank his thoughts a on the summit of nation's leaders a while back and could have clarified exactly what is and has been happening.

Thursday, October 16, 2008
New World Financial Order

...'...or do you really suspect there is something bigger afoot here? Is there a conspiracy to take over all the banks?'

Paul answered, 'No. They just have a plan. They believe in socialism and I don't. But there is something very very big happening... end of a monetary system started in '71 ...allowed dollar to be king... everybody propping up the system...everybody holding dollars...

he's worried about this weekend where they're going to come up with a new idea 'they' might come up with one central bank for the world.

then he says... they build up the panic build up the fear TO DO TERRIBLE THINGS

they do it in foreign policy they do it after 9/11 to undermine our system to undermine our freedom. Now they're going to take over all private ownership...'

Really, that's not a conspiracy? they're meeting in secret, no media, no public access, and his words they build up the panic they build up the fear ... and walla they may even come up with a 'new idea' one central bank for the world?

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-world-financial-order.html

Ron Paul interview Fox News

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/023456.html

Realize, any time there is an agreement, a pact, a contract between nations that isn't just an agreement that the United States can break lightly. though the Senate hasn't done its due diligence and gone the Constitutional route of ratifying international agreements and trade agreements as treaties, a much higher hurdle to pass, the agreements have the full backing of United States law.

They become part of the law of our land and there are fines and penalties for not abiding by the contracts.

That citizens of the United States and government entities have to follow agreements which should have been ratified as treaties to become the law of our land is proof enough of a conspiracy to undermine the sovereignty of the United States which Constitution sets specific limits on government and particularly engaging in foreign affairs of other nations.

We dismiss those which portray a Jewish conspiracy of world bankers and sift through to the more basic goal of a one-world global and financial/trade/economy/peaceful order. In fact, President George H.W. Bush used the term new world order which wasn't a gaffe. (It's also irksome to hear over and over how the United States is a 'democracy.' It's not, our form of government was founded as a Constitutional republic, not a democracy, and with a federal system and a democratic process of government and elections...)

Use of the phrasing new world order didn't start with George H. W. Bush. Obama will use care when crafting his words regarding NAFTA and international agreements, the bailout, etc. One day, somewhere along the way, though, listen for it.

We've already heard the echoes, if we'd only catch them into our consciousness.

Since use of that particular expression by George H.W. Bush was so recent, every citizen and youth of age should be fully aware of the implications of the term.

New World Order - through peace...

As we and others have pointed out in many different ways there is no difference between the two major political parties - the same coin different sides.

Once you tap into that thought process, you free yourself to notice everything these people say may be said slightly differently, with a different approach used to accomplish various outcomes, but the goal is the same. (A convoluted government bureaucracy that in the end serves only its own self perpetuation and growth. Eventually, we and others contend, the goal as outlined in the Charter of the United Nations, and subsequent books explaining such, plans for a world government. If you have time to read only one thick book for the next year make it World Peace Through World Law by Grenville Clark and Louis B. Sohn Harvard University Press 1958. Don't think every president of the United States has not read this book including George W. Bush (nuck-u-lar) and President-Elect Barack Obama (change we can believe in).

"The winds of change are with us now."

Guess who said that?

BARACK Obama declared yesterday "We have the righteous wind at our back" as he continued to barnstorm across America seeking to bury John McCain's comeback hopes.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24590999-663,00.html

Echoes of the same phrases appear over and over again by different individuals.

Wake up and listen but hear, look and see.

Meanwhile, Barack Obama dismisses concerns about Council on Foreign Relations membership and affiliations with joke about he doesn't use the secret hand signals... then he states blogs are gimmying material?

Yet it's ok for Obama to use a blog to set his own record straight?

Guess what, Obama, that's why many of us bloggers are here, to set the skewed view of what's really occurring, straight, as honestly as we can.

Net the Truth Online

George H. W. Bush's State of the Union Address, Envisioning One Thousand Points of Light
Given on Tuesday, January 29, 1991

Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, members of the United States Congress. I come to this house of the people to speak to you and all Americans, certain we stand at a defining hour.

Halfway around the world, we are engaged in a great struggle in the skies and on the seas and sands. We know why we're there. We are Americans—part of something larger than ourselves.

For two centuries we've done the hard work of freedom. And tonight we lead the world in facing down a threat to decency and humanity.

What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea—a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle, and worthy of our children's future.

The community of nations has resolutely gathered to condemn and repel lawless aggression. Saddam Hussein's unprovoked invasion—his ruthless, systematic rape of a peaceful neighbor—violated everything the community of nations holds dear. The world has said this aggression would not stand, and it will not stand.

Together, we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants. The world has answered Saddam's invasion with 12 United Nations resolutions, starting with a demand for Iraq's immediate and unconditional withdrawal, and backed up by forces from 28 countries of six continents. With few exceptions, the world now stands as one...

...We are a nation of rock-solid realism and clear-eyed idealism. We are Americans. We are the nation that believes in the future. We are the nation that can shape the future.

And we've begun to do just that, by strengthening the power and choice of individuals and families.

Together, these last two years, we've put dollars for child care directly in the hands of parents instead of bureaucracies, unshackled the potential of Americans with diabilities, applied the creativity of the marketplace in the service of the environment, for clean air, and made homeownership possible for more Americans...

...The strength of a democracy is not in bureaucracy, it is in the people and their communities. In everything we do, let us unleash the potential of our most precious resource—our citizens. We must return to families, communities, counties, cities, states and institutions of every kind, the power to chart their own destiny, and the freedom and opportunity provided by strong economic growth. That's what America is all about...

...I am heartened that we are not being asked to bear alone the financial burden of this struggle. Last year, our friends and allies provided the bulk of the economic costs of Desert Shield, and having now received commitments of over $40 billion for the first three months of 1991, I am confident they will do no less as we move through Desert Storm.

But the world has to wonder what the dictator of Iraq is thinking. If he thinks that by targeting innocent civilians in Israel and Saudi Arabia, that he will gain an advantage—he is dead wrong. If he thinks that he will advance his cause through tragic and despicable environmental terrorism—he is dead wrong. And if he thinks that by abusing coalition P.O.W.s, he will benefit—he is dead wrong.

We will succeed in the Gulf. And when we do, the world community will have sent an enduring warning to any dictator or despot, present or future, who contemplates outlaw aggression.

The world can therefore seize this opportunity to fulfill the long-held promise of a new world order—where brutality will go unrewarded, and aggression will meet collective resistance.

Yes, the United States bears a major share of leadership in this effort. Among the nations of the world, only the United States of America has had both the moral standing, and the means to back it up. We are the only nation on this earth that could assemble the forces of peace.This is the burden of leadership—and the strength that has made America the beacon of freedom in a searching world.

This nation has never found glory in war. Our people have never wanted to abandon the blessings of home and work, for distant lands and deadly conflict. If we fight in anger, it is only because we have to fight at all. And all of us yearn for a world where we will never have to fight again.

Each of us will measure, within ourselves, the value of this great struggle. Any cost in lives is beyond our power to measure. But the cost of closing our eyes to aggression is beyond mankind's power to imagine.

This we do know: Our cause is just. Our cause is moral. Our cause is right.

Let future generations understand the burden and the blessings of freedom. Let them say, we stood where duty required us to stand.

Let them know that together, we affirmed America, and the world, as a community of conscience.

The winds of change are with us now. The forces of freedom are united. We move toward the next century, more confident than ever, that we have the will at home and abroad, to do what must be done—the hard work of freedom....

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0900156.html

The Insiders: How and Why America is Being Betrayed
Posted November 12th, 2008

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/72881

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Back to the Republic

A well-informed citizenry is the most powerful revolutionary force in our Constitutional republic.

BACK TO THE REPUBLIC - THE GOLDEN MEAN: THE STANDARD FORM OF GOVERNMENT

by Harry F. Atwood. Laird & Lee, Inc., 1918 Chapter II

http://members.tripod.com/~DIRTLINE/backtorepublic.html

Atwood books

“Our Republic”


“Our Republic” was originally published in 1918 under the title “Back to the Republic”.

In 1913 the sixteenth amendment (The Income Tax Amendment) was allegedly ratified. In that same year, Congress voted in the existence of the Federal Reserve Act which created a “Central Bank” in The united States of America. Because of those two historic situations, Harry felt compelled to write “Back to the Republic” as a warning to the American People that we were losing our great “Republic” form of government and moving very dangerously into a new form of government called “Democracy”!

In this book, you will learn the differences between an “Autocracy”, “Democracy”, and what lies between them as the Golden Mean: A Republic form of government!

If you have ever recited the “Pledge of Allegiance” in school, at a boy scout meeting, or at any other gathering in your life, it was “to the Republic for which it stands”, not “to the Democracy for which it stands”! Think about that for a moment!!!

“Our Republic” is a must read, if you want to truly understand what you are fighting for and why it is so important to give everything you’ve got to

http://www.freewebs.com/constitution-books/ourrepublic.htm

Atwood Conclusion republished

http://books.google.com/books?id=i0JJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=back+to+the+republic+atwood+online+free&source=bl&ots=HltFUghYhm&sig=W1W9S9fJab0aDD7HDZsMAnYU2XI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA124,M1

Thursday, October 16, 2008
New World Financial Order
who'd have thunk it? A new world financial order proposed as a solution to the crisis in the United States and now world-wide?

Unfortunately, when former contender for the Republican nomination for President, Ron Paul, had the opportunity to warn Yes, Virginia, there is a conspiracy, not even he dared to appear on the fringe who know there's been a plan for a new world order based on anything, anything for going on 60 years!

After his initial explanations, in the beginning of the video wherein Ron Paul avers, 'they're panicking...' Paul says they're '...socializing the entire financial system...'

He's then specifically asked

'...or do you really suspect there is something bigger afoot here? Is there a conspiracy to take over all the banks?'

Paul answered, 'No. They just have a plan. They believe in socialism and I don't. But there is something very very big happening... end of a monetary system started in '71 ...allowed dollar to be king... everybody propping up the system...everybody holding dollars...

he's worried about this weekend where they're going to come up with a new idea 'they' might come up with one central bank for the world.

then he says... they build up the panic build up the fear TO DO TERRIBLE THINGS

they do it in foreign policy they do it after 9/11 to undermine our system to undermine our freedom. Now they're going to take over all private ownership...'

Really, that's not a conspiracy? they're meeting in secret, no media, no public access, and his words they build up the panic they build up the fear ... and walla they may even come up with a 'new idea' one central bank for the world?

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-world-financial-order.html

Obama challenged on Insider appointments

We warned days earlier of "InsiderS" appointments. Only we accurately noted affiliations of Cabinet economic appointments to be made by Barack Obama as Insiders of the kind John McManus shows as not only historically influential back to the days of Woodrow Wilson, at least, but an overwhelming amount of the Presidential appointment picks in key Cabinet offices (historically)(Secretary of State or Defense) held Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) membership.

Wednesday, November 26, 2008
Obama Economic Team Council Foreign Relations Membership

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2008/11/obama-economic-team-council-foreign.html

Change we can believe? in?

The (UK Times Online, Chicago-based correspoindent) article surprisingly (being UK) doesn't point out any more than Obama's filled his "new Cabinet with veteran Washington insiders and former Clinton officials".

Barack Obama forced to deny abandoning 'change' amid insider appointments November 27, 2008 Tim Reid in Chicago

Tim Reid in Chicago
Barack Obama defended his decision to pack his new Cabinet with veteran Washington insiders and former Clinton officials yesterday after a campaign in which he promised change.

The President-elect responded after naming the former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, a veteran of the Carter and Reagan Administrations, as the head of a new economic panel to stop “groupthink” infecting his inner circle of White House financial advisers.

There have been mounting concerns, particularly from the liberal wing of his Democratic Party, that Mr Obama has pivoted sharply to the centre-right with his choice of top Cabinet posts.

His main economic advisers have close ties to the Clinton White House and Mr Obama has already chosen Hillary Clinton to be his Secretary of State. His chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, once served Bill Clinton, and more appointments still to be announced will include a slew of officials who served in the most recent Democratic Administration...

...Mr Obama said he was forming an economic recovery advisory board, with Mr Volcker to head it, to give independent economic advice from outside the White House. “Sometimes policymaking in Washington can become a little bit too ingrown, a little bit too insular,” Mr Obama said. “The walls of the echo chamber can sometimes keep out fresh voices and new ways of thinking.”

Mr Obama said the board, which would report to him regularly, would be filled with individuals from diverse sectors of the economy and would be government outsiders, “to challenge some of our assumptions, to make sure that we are not just doing the same old thing all the time”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5239776.ece

Paul Volcker? to give independent economic advice from outside the White House?

Just another Washington insider, retired?

His main economic advisers have close ties to the Clinton White House and Mr Obama has already chosen Hillary Clinton to be his Secretary of State. His chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, once served Bill Clinton, and more appointments still to be announced will include a slew of officials who served in the most recent Democratic Administration.

Obama's main economic advisers have close ties to the Clinton White House?

That's all?

Just find the names and do a search with those names and council (on) foreign relations members or bilderberg or trilateral commission. See what you find.

Also see:

Council on Foreign Relations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

Council on Foreign Relations Secretaries of Defense with footnotes

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/wwcfrsod.html

Isn't it odd that up pops material using in the headline of the article - "insider" appointments - the same term that applies to the real Insiders (as tagged decades ago in John McManus' slim but eye-popping hefty book THE INSIDERS)(Insiders online free)?

Yet to date mainstream material lacks pointing out the connection between the Council on Foreign Relations members (Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg, too) and historically appointments made by every President since back to Woodrow Wilson. Appointments of individuals who have not only mere ties to the Council on Foreign Relations, but positions of membership or adminsitration?

Notice how the article only points out Obama's

main economic advisers have close ties to the Clinton White House

The article doesn't mention and why not the majority of these advisors (appointments) resume includes Council on Foreign Relations membership.

Delve into outing them all it takes is some time and desire and effort to research and confirm from as many sources as possible... There are hundreds of such finds.

Paul Volcker

The Paul A. Volcker Chair in International Economics
The Council on Foreign Relations established the Paul A. Volcker Chair in International Economics in 1997 to honor Paul A. Volcker, long active in the Council and a member of its Board of Directors, an outstanding public servant and a leading international economist.

http://www.cfr.org/about/giving/volcker.html

Volcker must have excellent health care still kicking.

This is change?

Paul A. Volcker was chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System from 1979 to 1987, and is credited with the leading role in ending a period of high and rising inflation and restoring a base for sustained growth. Initially appointed to that position by President Carter for a four-year term, he was reappointed in 1983 by President Reagan. Upon completion of his second term as chairman, Mr. Volcker returned to private life, joining as chairman of the firm James D. Wolfensohn Inc. He retired as chairman and CEO of Wolfensohn & Co., Inc. upon the merger of that firm in 1996 with the Bankers Trust Company.

In the course of his career, Mr. Volcker worked in the federal government for almost 30 years, serving in office under five pre sidents—John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Immediately before becoming Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in 1979, Mr. Volcker spent more than four years as president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the principal operating arm of the system.

Earlier, Mr. Volcker had two tours of duty as an official of the U.S. Treasury, serving as under secretary for monetary affairs from 1969 to 1974. In that position he was responsible for developing and implementing Treasury debt management and Federal credit policies. On behalf of the United States, he conducted international monetary negotiations during the transition from the Bretton Woods fixed exchange rate system to the more flexible system of floating rates that has prevailed since the early 1970s.

http://www.cfr.org/about/giving/volcker.html

We've yet to come across other than the Times Online UK article confirming Obama has already named Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. Hubbie hasn't yet been fully vetted. All those foreign connections and fees for speeches to anyone, any organization on the planet, and Hillary is going to pass the test related to which of Bill's connections will not be allowed?

Appears all set

Barack Obama appears all set to name Hillary Clinton Secretary of State Posted November 21, 2008

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/11/21/barack-obama-appears-all-set-to-name-hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state.html

vs

His main economic advisers have close ties to the Clinton White House and Mr Obama has already chosen Hillary Clinton to be his Secretary of State.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5239776.ece

Obama seriously considering Clinton after the psychological warfare noted by no less than Carl Bernstein was being used against Obama by the Clintons?

Plus, all Secretaries of State have held direct membership in the CFR, that has not been established for Hillary, though it's been reported she's attended the secret Bilderberger meetings.

Ties to but not among the members that we could find as legitimate (live leak is not a source we would use)

Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Ties to the CFR and The Military Elite! by/par 2 SOLITUDES Published Édité 02/4/2008

http://www.2solitudes.com/headlines-actualites/87/Hillary-Clinton039s-Presidential-Campaign-Ties-to-the-CFR-and-The-Military-Elite.html

Net the Truth Online

Barack Obama forced to deny abandoning 'change' amid insider appointments November 27, 2008 Tim Reid in Chicago

Barack Obama defended his decision to pack his new Cabinet with veteran Washington insiders and former Clinton officials yesterday after a campaign in which he promised change.

The President-elect responded after naming the former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, a veteran of the Carter and Reagan Administrations, as the head of a new economic panel to stop “groupthink” infecting his inner circle of White House financial advisers.

There have been mounting concerns, particularly from the liberal wing of his Democratic Party, that Mr Obama has pivoted sharply to the centre-right with his choice of top Cabinet posts.

His main economic advisers have close ties to the Clinton White House and Mr Obama has already chosen Hillary Clinton to be his Secretary of State. His chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, once served Bill Clinton, and more appointments still to be announced will include a slew of officials who served in the most recent Democratic Administration.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5239776.ece

Clinton Press

The biggest obstacle fell after Bill Clinton handed over his financial records Thursday, and Obama and Clinton had "good, substantive talks," a source said.

Obama plans to wait until after Thanksgiving before pulling the trigger on the nomination because "the full national security team is still being worked out," and he wants to have all the members in place before he makes the announcement, the source said.

"This administration is gonna be some wonderful ride," said a jubilant former Clinton aide who had pushed for her to become Obama's vice presidential choice.

Clinton in the last few days began aggressively pursuing the secretary of state slot and mounted an all-out sales campaign amid fears the job might be slipping away, sources said.

Former Clinton campaign aides and some of her inner-circle advisers - aka Hillaryland - were part of a coordinated effort to win her the top State Department post, the Clinton source confirmed.

These Clinton allies were e-mailing and working the phones with Obama contacts, appearing on cable TV and leaking optimistic scenarios to the media.

"All you have to do is pay attention and see how they are operating, and it looks like [a campaign ]," said the Democratic source.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/11/21/barack-obama-appears-all-set-to-name-hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state.html

Movement Started to End Federal Reserve System

this movement began November 22, 2008. End the Fed seeks to abolish the Federal Reserve System. The organization structure plans to hold additional rallies, and mount grassroots support for passage of H.R. 2755, Introduced by Ron Paul.

Text of H.R. 2755: Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2755

Read more about it on the site

http://www.endthefed.us/action.php

Blog

http://endthefed.blogspot.com/

Restore the Republic Radio

http://endthefed.us/broadcast_community.php

"End the Fed" Rally to be held Saturday
NOVEMBER 21, 2008

"End the Fed activists believe that the Federal Reserve Bank, through its inflation of the money supply and the distortion of free markets resulting from its intervention, is responsible for the current financial and economic crisis. They also hold that the current round of 'bailouts' and Federal Government nationalization of large segments of the financial sector further inflates the U.S. dollar and disrupts the proper functioning of the markets and will ultimately serve to plunge the nation into an even more severe crisis and possibly even into a serious depression."

End the Fed's action plan includes a petition drive and a Congressional lobbying campaign for the Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (H.R. 2755), which was introduced to Congress by Representative Ron Paul in June 2007. The plan also calls for a public, Congressional audit of both the Federal Reserve Bank and of the U.S. Treasury Department's gold reserve. End the Fed activists believe that with the development of free market and barter trade systems and "private banking institutions based on precious metals and commodities" that we, as a people, may be able to save our economy.

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A52351

Campaign For Liberty blog commentary

End The Fed Rally Draws Thousands Around the Country, Few Seem to Notice

Posted by Don Rasmussen on 11/23/08 12:58 AM
Last updated 11/23/08 09:48 AM

You would think that a 39 city protest involving thousands of people might warrant a national wire story, maybe a mention on cable news, but no. Reporters don't understand the issue and therefore they ignore it. Of course this can be said for most of the important issues that affect people's lives. Hence we get wall-to-wall coverage of the Obama daughter's educational preferences. Fiddling while Rome burns seems almost understated.

http://www.campaignforliberty.org/blog.php?view=4931

Like the whole blog viewpoint

Excerpt

...These protests against the thieving whores of state-capitalism that is the Federal Reserve System are being organized by an outfit called Restore the Republic, which was founded by the late film producer Aaron Russo not long before he succumbed to cancer. The Chicago area Ron Paul Meetup group has taken it upon themselves to coordinate the Windy City's anti-Fed/anti-fiat money festivities.

Of course, as an anarchist, I'm not so much interested in restoring any republic as I am convincing everyone else who values individual liberty to face reality and admit that the very idea of a republic has been a non-starter as far as our cause is concerned, and to thus relegate that concept to the trash heap of history in favor of a stateless, leaderless, spontaneously self-organizing and wholly self-governing society. Nor was I ever on the Ron Paul-for-president bandwagon. I was on the Nobody-for-president bandwagon. (Nor do I understand the significance of holding such a rally on the anniversary of the JFK assassination. To my knowledge, Kennedy was never particularly opposed to the Fed.)

But if the Paulistas want to host a consciousness-raising event in an effort to get out the word on the evils of inflationary paper money created by the central banking plutocracy, versus the virtues of sound, free market gold and silver money, then I'm all over it. Count me in...

http://postmoderntrib.blogspot.com/2008/11/call-to-action-end-fed-rally-in-chicago.html

World Net Daily Ignores Janega and Volokh on Obama Eligibility

Updated material... on the Obama birth certificate internet conspiracy... the Globe's front page feature on where Obama was really born... Obama firestorm

http://www.globemagazine.com/story/143

And after that take time to read... everything...

really of note

"tis the season to be stupid, fa la la la la...." Berg/COLB update

http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/12/tis-the-season-to-be-stupid-fa-la-la-la-la-bergcolb-update.html

Should Auld Dingbats be forgot - Berg/COLB update

http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/12/should-auld-dingbats-be-forgot-bergcolb-update.html

Like ants. Really dumb ants. - Berg/COLB update

http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2009/01/like-ants-really-dumb-ants-bergcolb-update.html

and

Only Bobo the Wizard... all of it every single word, people, real truthseekers, no matter what the truth shows, or disproves...

"Only Bobo the wizard can save us now!" - Berg/COLB update

...Devvy Kidd fails at understanding reading or history. Because the Findlaw article she cites shows that the majority opinion of the Supreme Court was:...

What Ms. Devvy cites was the Dissenting opinion in this case, from the two Justices that believed citizenship should be denied. In fact, Wong Kim Ark was ruled a Natural Born Citizen of the United States by a 6 to 2 decision of the Supreme Court, Devvy Kid obviously doesn't know what the hell she's talking about - just like every other "expert" in the Cult of the COLB.

But that's not surprising, the entire cult is full of fail, but they keep lapping up the flavour-aid and hoping the next "great white hope" is the one that proves their paranoid racist delusions as the reality they so desperately want it to be.


http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/12/only-bobo-the-wizard-can-save-us-now-bergcolb-update.html

Regarding Devvy Kidd's surmising the EC members did not all 'vote' on Obama's seating, some reportedly voted present. Maybe 170 is a misprint? Maybe voting present is a vote to seat Obama? Devvy is better than this...

Devvy Kidd -- OBAMA: What is going on with the Electoral College?: "Electoral college delegates. Something strange here: 'I checked the Official U.S. Electoral College website today to get an idea of the votes that have come in to date. I was prompted to do this after entertaining the following questions on my blog wall from Lisa Karres...Here are a few questions for you:.Currently, Obama only has received 170 electoral votes. The deadline for submitting the votes was last week. Congress will meet on January 8th. Can Congress over-ride the Delegates if they did not give Obama his minimum required of 270? I am told this is the first time in history that many Delegates did NOT report in or submit their votes by the deadline. I have been told that Indiana ALL voted 'Present' and cast zero votes. Can SCOTUS over-ride the delegates and just make Obama POTUS?'" Read more. End Snip*

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=220154

better than the point Obama's father listed as African not African American or black or negroid on birth certificate -

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/obama_government/news.php?q=1229882540

Globe prints

http://usatodayadforobamarecords.blogspot.com/2009/01/for-immediate-release-01032009-new.html

MSNBC's Olberman Touches on Donofrio Case

PendingWritten on Dec-4-08 8:31pm - Not yet published to a wikizine

http://www.zimbio.com/member/ImagesGS/articles/3733235/MSNBC+Olberman+Touches+Donofrio+Case

Will U.S. Supreme Court Justices adopt a schedule to hear arguments in a case challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be 'elected' President based on citizenship requirements as contained in the United States Constitution? Will the Supremes order Barack Obama to produce a copy of his original birth certificate to settle a question over its authenticity and Obama's United States citizenship and thus qualification to become President of the United States?

We've covered World Net Daily and Joseph Farah's petition drive to force the release of Obama's original birth certificate at length in our piece:

Bush the Pardoner Ignores Border Patrol Agents WND Ignores Bush Neglect

WND has been at the forefront reporting on the plight of the two border agents Ignatio Ramos and Jose Compean, yet not a word about Bush's continued neglect of legal requests for a full pardon of the men.

Instead, WND has appeared to focus in a nearly obsessive-compulsive way on Barack Obama's birth certificate.

Yet, we still find absolutely no mention of the statements of Law Professor Eugene Volokh as reported in Chicago Tribune article Obama birth certificate rumor debunked James Janega Tribune reporter October 30, 2008.

UCLA lists the article among Headlines for that date.

Eugene Volokh
Volokh, UCLA professor of law, is quoted today in a Chicago Tribune article about rumors concerning the authenticity of Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-headlines-october-30-2008-70892.aspx

Other sites have picked up the Chicago Tribune article, including

Newsday

From Orlando Sentinel
Birthplace rumors go nowhereJames Janega Chicago Tribune
October 31, 2008

http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/friday/orl-birth3108oct31,0,6292880.story

But to World Net Daily, it's as if the article was never published and a well-known legal analyst and expert never provided commentary enough to 'debunk' the ineligibility accusation.

The article even cites WND, yet there is silence about that and the title of the article alone is provocative.

Obama birth certificate rumor debunked By James Janega Tribune reporter October 30, 2008

The issue of whether Obama is a "natural born citizen"—a citizen at birth—was raised in a June 10 article on the conservative Web site World Net Daily.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-birth-certificate-30-oct30,0,1742172.story?track=rss

The article relies heavily on the analysis of Eugene Volokh, co-writer with his brother of the Volokh Conspiracy blog site. It's not as if the site is not well known itself.

In the article, Volokh is referenced several times...

Hawaii was a state in 1961, when Obama was born. Any person born in the U.S. automatically is a "natural born citizen," said University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh.

Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said. Stanley Ann Dunham would have counted even if Obama's Kenyan father did not.

If this becomes an issue in a post-election eligibility challenge, expect a likely sticking point to be the legal definition in 1961 of how parents could be called U.S. citizens for this purpose, Volokh said. At the time Obama was born, the law stated that a person would be considered a "natural born citizen" if either parent was a citizen who had lived at least 10 years in the U.S., including five years after the age of 14—in other words, 19.

Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified even if Obama was born in another country, Volokh said. Congress made the law retroactive to 1952, doubly covering Obama.

Any legal challenge would have to argue that Congress can't make someone retroactively a citizen at birth, and prove Obama was born outside of the U.S. after all.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-birth-certificate-30-oct30,0,1742172.story?track=rss

A recent WND article continues to question whether an actual Hawaiian birth certificate exists in a roundabout way, and still doesn't reference Volokh or the Chicago Tribune reporter's other piece

Obama Hawaiian-born: Citizen for sure Posted November 3, 2008 3:45 PM by James Janega

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

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Supremes to review citizenship arguments
Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices Posted: November 20, 2008
By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists as his campaign has stated, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

Why hasn't Obama made the original certificate available? Maybe because he's already shown proof of his Honolulu birth by way of the Certificate of Live Birth?

In the Four Questions for the Trojan Candidate, the writer claims the Texas Darling blog was the first to take a serious look at Obama's Constitutional eligibility.

Four Questions For The Trojan Candidate
November 16, 2008 by texasdarlin
...The first serious look at Barack Obama ’s Constitutional eligibility began on this blog, with the exposure of the birth certificate mystery, Obama-Soetoro’s Indonesian citizenship, and analysis of the constitutional problems with Obama’s multiple citizenship status irrespective of birthplace...

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/four-questions-for-the-trojan-candidate/

More from the same WND article...

Supremes to review citizenship arguments
Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices

...Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born. There have been other allegations that Obama actually was born in Kenya during a time when his father was a British subject.

The California action was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Keyes, the presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, along with Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson, both California electors.

"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void, Petitioners, as well as other Americans, will suffer irreparable harm in that (a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal," the action challenges....

...The California case states, "There is a reasonable and common expectation by the voters that to qualify for the ballot, the individuals running for office must meet minimum qualifications as outlined in the federal and state Constitutions and statutes, and that compliance with those minimum qualifications has been confirmed by the officials overseeing the election process," the complaint said, when in fact the only documentation currently required is a signed statement from the candidate attesting to those qualifications.

"Since [the secretary of state] has, as its core, the mission of certifying and establishing the validity of the election process, this writ seeks a Court Order barring SOS from certifying the California Electors until documentary proof that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen of the United States of America is received by her," the document said.

"This proof could include items such as his original birth certificate, showing the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor, all of his passports with immigration stamps, and verification from the governments where the candidate has resided, verifying that he did not, and does not, hold citizenship of these countries, and any other documents that certify an individual’s citizenship and/or qualification for office.

The "certificate of live birth" posted by the Obama campaign cannot be viewed as authoritative, the case alleges.

"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence," the document said. "The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama's original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him."

The case also raises the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship.

Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."

WND has reported other challenges that have been raised in Ohio, Connecticut, Washington, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Hawaii.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

Nowhere on the WND site (or on the Texas Darlin site) is the author of the Chicago Tribune piece cited, nor is another piece by the author referenced by WND.

Obama Hawaiian-born: Citizen for sure Posted November 3, 2008 3:45 PM by James Janega

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

Volokh is about completely ignored at WND, too. Except for his name appearing on a gun rights letter to Congress posted on WND, we could find no reference to Volokh and nothing relating to the Obama ineligibility accusations...

Text of congressional letter Academics say gun laws counterproductive
Posted: June 28, 1999

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=3741

We found an article which references the Volokh Conspiracy website on another issue...

University 'bias' plan can get you busted

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=44352

Surely WND is aware of both Volokh and Janega by now.

So why are WND and Joseph Farah, and Jerome Corsi, and Unruh ignoring these debunkers?

And they're dismissing comments of state officials as well?

The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family...

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+birth+certificate+department+health+hawaii&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Notice, the reports state:

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said...

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

Where was Obama born?
Posted: November 26, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008

I heard about an elementary school in New York that was renamed for Barack Obama.

You may have heard about the plans to designate Nov. 4 as Barack Obama Day.

But, so far, at least, I have not heard of any plans for so much as a plaque to be installed in the hospital in which the next president was born.

Do you know why?

Because the location of the hospital in which Barack Obama was born is something of a state secret.

It is information the American people should know, because it would be revealed on his birth certificate – if only we could see it.

The story, as told in Obama's ghostwritten autobiography, "Dreams of My Father," is that he was born in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961. Yet, the only alleged birth certificate released by the Obama campaign lacks the significant details normally associated with such a document – like specifically where he was born...

...Why is there so much secrecy about the birthplace of Barack Hussein Obama Jr.?

If you doubt what I am saying, try to find any reference to a hospital associated with Obama's birth. The only one you will find anywhere is the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, where his African relatives claim to have been present when he arrived...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81964

Snopes Who is Barack Obama?

...born 4 August 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center, Honolulu, Hawaii

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

We have to wonder, what if the original birth certificate doesn't contain that Medical Center, Queens', as the hospital of his birth - So what. What if another hospital is listed for some reason unknown to anybody. Even if such were the case, it wouldn't be proof Obama was not born in Honolulu County as recorded on documentation Obama has already provided.

WND's founder, Joseph Farah states

If you doubt what I am saying, try to find any reference to a hospital associated with Obama's birth. The only one you will find anywhere is the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, where his African relatives claim to have been present when he arrived.

This is where the highlighted section leads.

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008 9:54 pm Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79174

So as support for Farah's declaration the only hospital associated with Obama's birth is the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, Farah offers the Jerome Corsi article.

What does that article reveal?

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Now notice the particular wording

grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

And notice, there is no link to any material that would provide a resource to the reader of where that 'reportedly alleged' witnessing was reported!

There isn't even a reference to Corsi's own book, Obama Nation, or a footnote referenced from the book, or any indication Corsi interviewed the grandmother himself, or someone else interviewed the grandmother.

There is simply nothing. No resource whatsoever.

We can tell you if we submitted anthing like these two articles with those statements and did not provide a resource other than the same two articles back and forth we would be laughed out of the writing and journalism business.

Over at What Really Happened, though we rarely visit, the site came up in a search, WRH comments on part of the Corsi article, the part where the Governor Lingle reportedly, according to Corsi, indicated Obama's birth certificate had been 'sealed.'

Thank you for emailing Governor Linda Lingle's office. A recent article in WorldNetDaily.com (October 26, 2008) claiming that Hawai‘i Governor Linda Lingle sealed Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is false...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/governor-lingle-story-about-sealing-obama-records-false

The WRH site references Corsi's WND article

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008 By Jerome R. Corsi © 2008 WorldNetDaily

Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii

HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.

WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.

Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.

Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95.

The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174

To recap, at this point, WND founder made a specific accusation stating as fact:

If you doubt what I am saying, try to find any reference to a hospital associated with Obama's birth. The only one you will find anywhere is the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, where his African relatives claim to have been present when he arrived.

Well, guess what, we doubt what Farah is saying because the link he provides as the one that will show the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombase, Kenya is where Obama Jr. was born turns out to lead to Jerome Corsi's article which says nothing of the sort, only that

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

The statement by Corsi is not resourced.

So how are we to believe Farah, and believe Corsi at this point? We can find no reason to do so.

There is more from WND

WND's Corsi probing Obama's 'Kenyan birth'
In Hawaii unraveling evidence in questions over citizenship
Posted: October 23, 2008 © 2008 WorldNetDaily

WND senior investigative reporter Jerome Corsi, who recently returned from a trip to Kenya with revelations about Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's participation in a foreign nation's internal politics, now has been dispatched to Hawaii to uncover the truth of the senator's place of birth.

The issue has been raised multiple times during the 2008 presidential campaign, with a number of court cases already launched that demand documentation about Obama's birth place. One prominent Pennsylvania Democrat, Philip Berg, has alleged that Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya.

Corsi plans to be in Hawaii for several days to review the evidence and records in the dispute.

He was able to travel even though a chronic health condition landed him on his back following his Kenya trip, especially after he was detained by armed Kenyan soldiers and immigration officials for most of the last day he was in Nairobi, which prevented him from holding a news conference to discuss his discoveries there.

Get your copy of "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality" now.

Corsi said he is working with medications that have partially relieved the pain, and he's continuing his effort to discover the truth.

Corsi reported that when he was in Kenya he was told that Obama actually was born not in Honolulu but in Mombosa, on the Kenyan coast. He also said he was told by government officials there that his records were sealed and nothing could be released.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78954

Corsi on medications? Curiouser and curiouser...

but hey even though links are missing entirely to material that would independently confirm Obama was born in the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya as Farah claims, and Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya and the Jerome Corsi book Obama Nation has been accuracy-challenged, charges specifically made that The book has been criticized for containing factual errors,[1][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] and "not entirely accurate in every respect," disputed by critics, and Obama's campaign provided a

40-page rebuttal to the best-selling book "The Obama Nation," arguing the author is a fringe bigot peddling rehashed lies

Even with Media Matters stating so much more to doubt about Corsi's writings

As Media Matters has noted, in appearances on C-SPAN and other media outlets, Corsi has promoted the falsehoods in his book even though they have been widely discredited.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100017

WND encourages readers to buy the book.

Even though Media Matters proclaims

Tue, Aug 26, 2008 3:47pm ET

Even WND disputes Corsi's phony Obama birth certificate claim
Summary: WorldNetDaily.com, for which Jerome Corsi, author of the debunked and discredited book The Obama Nation, works as a staff reporter, has now taken on the claim that its own writer has been promoting, and determined for itself to be false -- that the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama "has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website." WorldNetDaily reported that a "WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts ... found the document to be authentic."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808260014

Catch that? Media Matters unequivocably states:

WorldNetDaily reported that a "WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts ... found the document to be authentic

That is astonishing, astounding, and has gone unaddressed at WND, still within Farah's petition drive columns and other articles is the offer:

Get your copy of "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality" now.

...just buy the book it's only $4.95...

except if you read more widely, maybe not...

New anti-Obama book not entirely accurate in every respectAre there any claims in Jerome Corsi's hostile biography that aren't wrong?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/oliverburkemanblog/2008/aug/13/newantiobamabooknotentirel

We're not lenient with this approach to the so-called birth certificate controversy, either.

Thursday, June 12, 2008
Are There Two Obama Birth Certificates?

In Kenya, where Obama's father is from, a second birth certificate for Obama was issued and registered with Kenya's government. This is a custom in Kenya, when a baby is born to a Kenyan citizen overseas: that birth is recorded in Kenya in addition to the United States, or wherever. The blogs have been buzzing with the fact that GOP operatives have been to Kenya researching Obama's past, and Obama's father and other family in Kenya, and it appears they have obtained a copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

The reason this is interesting is something no one has caught yet.

In some foreign countries, a baby's religion is written on the birth certificate, particularly in countries with multiple religions. If Kenya is a country that requires this note on a birth certificate, and if Obama's father had "Muslim" written on his birth certificate, then Obama has a lot of explaining to do.

http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2008/06/are-there-two-obama-birth-certificates.html

well, there's the proof Obama II what?

Was not born in Kenya, but oh my goodness a different religion than what he now clasps as his own - Christianity - was put down as his religion possibly on a Kenyan document because his father was Muslim, or whatever, at the time of his birth, a birth which now it has to be acknowledged occurred not in Kenya, but in Honolulu?

What does Obama II have to explain? His Kenyan heritage? Kenyan tradition? No knowledge of who put what down as information about his birth until he reached an age where he could obtain such information if needed for oh say a 'passport?'

No wonder hackers hacked non-public records to obtain such information just around the time Hillary Clinton was facing the fight of her life to grasp at retaining what she once believed was in the bank for her.

We're also struck with the argument the certificate Obama produced back in June is false information because the form uses the term African for the description of the race of Obama's father rather than Negro (which it is argued would have been the prevailing legal description of the race of a black person).

from a comment to the article

OUR VIEW: Hear a rumor? Check out the truth yourself
Monday, November 3, 2008 7:35 AM EST

For The Bristol Press

http://www.bristolpress.com/articles/2008/11/03/opinion/doc490e4416a5a6f795979999.txt

Nick wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:05 PM:
" This article is not very accurate...

And ask yourself: why does that document say Obama's father is "African?" In the early 1960s, the term used would have been 'Negro' or 'Colored,' but not 'African.'

http://www.bristolpress.com/articles/2008/11/03/opinion/doc490e4416a5a6f795979999.txt

isn't there a simple explanation for the discrepancy if that's what that could be called. Obama's father was born in

Barack Hussein OBAMA Sr. was born in 1936 in Nyangoma-Kogelo,
Siaya District, Kenya and died in a car crash in Nairobi, Kenya in
1982, leaving three wives, six sons and a daughter. All but one of his
children live in Britain or the United States. One of the brothers died
in 1984. He is buried in the village of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya
District, Kenya.

http://qna.live.com/ShowQuestion.aspx?qid=3602BDE54983419C8EB7767BE27D932B

Obama Sr. was born in Kanyadhiang village, Rachuonyo District[1] on the shores of Lake Victoria just outside Kendu Bay, Kenya and raised in the village of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District.[7] ^ Ombuor, Joe (2008-11-04). "Obama’s father and the origin of Muslim name", The Standard. Retrieved on 2008-11-13.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.

What hospital those resources don't say.

Pick up the Time article noted below and read Dunham introduced Sr. as an African student, attending the same University Ann was attending.

But when people called Hawaii a "melting pot" in the early 1960s, they meant a place where white people blended with Asians. At the time, 19% of white women in Hawaii married Chinese men, and that was considered radical by the rest of the nation. Black people made up less than 1% of the state's population. And while interracial marriage was legal there, it was banned in half the other states.

When Ann told her parents about the African student at school, they invited him over for dinner. Her father didn't notice when his daughter reached out to hold the man's hand, according to Obama's book. Her mother thought it best not to cause a scene.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html

It might be useful to determine if any other white women married a Kenyan-born man in Hawaiian islands in the same year, but isn't that going a bit far when it is logical the reason to offer Sr.'s race as African on Barack Obama Jr.s birth certificate is because that's the race Sr. would be considered among the University students?

Fight the Smears birth certificate

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

this should settle things, but we'll see...

notice the issuance date August 8, 1961 of the certificate of live birth comes some mere 4 days after the birth.

Seriously now, an underage pregnant woman who's hestitant to tell her family she's about to get married 3-months into a pregnancy, determines it's in the best interests of herself and her child to leave the family in the last month of the pregnancy she could deliver prematurely which is common among young pregnant women at the time, and she travels with her husband to the country Kenya with him at that time. He goes for this? Knowing he has a wife under Kenyan law? Maybe the two will meet and Ann can get some pointers from Kenyan mothers on how to deliver a premature child without easy access to a University Hospital?

Right. Logically, it doesn't make sense, and to date Corsi and others have provided no evidence the couple travelled outside the United States in the last month or so of the pregnancy.

the following writer doesn't supply any resource which is always a sore point with us - just give us a link, something to follow up on what you've presented as fact.

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The conspiracy fools tend to forget one thing...where was Obama's mom in Aug. of 61?

She was in Hawaii...so for sure that is where Obama was...

by terra gazelle on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 09:25:03 AM PST

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/20/11114/794/5/664098

Well, that's what is being disputed over at WND... still.

Doubts persist about Obama birth certificate
Considerable evidence still points to candidate's birth in Kenya
Posted: November 02, 2008 By Jerome R. Corsi © 2008 WorldNetDaily

Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii

HONOLULU – Even though Hawaii officials now claim to have verified the authenticity of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate – in hopes of ending widespread speculation and even multiple lawsuits challenging the Democrat candidate's constitutional qualification to be president – it turns out there is still reason for serious questioning.

In fact, there is considerable evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the candidate and his campaign have maintained.

As WND reported from Honolulu last week, Gov. Linda Lingle instructed the Hawaii Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to Obama's original birth certificate. Lingle's letter to WND made clear that the original doctor-generated and hospital-released birth certificate on file with the state's health department would be released to the press if Obama so requested – but to date the candidate has made no such request.

The governor's communication with WND also left ambiguous whether the Obama birth certificate on file with the Department of Health was originally generated by a Hawaii doctor after giving birth to Obama in Hawaii, or generated in Kenya and subsequently registered by the Obama family in Hawaii.

On April 5, WND conducted a telephone interview from New Jersey to Kenya with Sayid Obama, brother of Barack Obama senior and the uncle of Sen. Barack Obama. The interview is reported in the book "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality" on pages 21-25, 26-28, 29, 30, 34 and 103.

In the interview, Sayid acknowledged he was not sure whether his brother, Barack Obama senior, practiced Islam or whether Barack Obama junior was born in Kenya or in Hawaii.

He did remember distinctly that Obama junior had visited Africa in 1987, then a second time in 1992 when Obama junior traveled to Kenya with his wife-to-be Michelle; and a third time, as a U.S. senator, when Obama returned with Michelle in 2006.

Sayid acknowledged that his father (Sen. Obama's grandfather) was wealthy in the Luo tribe, a practicing Muslim who traveled the world with the British, and insisted that Barack Obama senior attend school and was quite intelligent in school.

WND had scheduled a second telephone interview for April 25 with Auma Obama, Sen. Barack Obama's sister in Kenya, but Auma canceled the interview and apologized to WND after Sen. Obama's campaign forbade her or any other of the Obama family to conduct any further interviews with WND, following the interview with Sayid Obama.

The issue of the authenticity of Obama's original birth certificate is further muddied by communications from Sen. Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, who has claimed Obama was born in two different Hawaii hospitals.

In a November 2004 interview with the Rainbow Newsletter, Maya told reporters her half-brother Sen. Barack Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu; then in February 2008, Maya told reporters for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that Obama was at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79900

What is the evidence that is considerable? We have yet to see other than his grandmother reportedly allegedly says so, WND conducted a phone interview wherein "Sayid acknowledged he was not sure whether his brother, Barack Obama senior, practiced Islam or whether Barack Obama junior was born in Kenya or in Hawaii."

Notice the juxtaposition of Barack Obama senior and Barack Obama junior in the paragraph. See if you catch Sayid acknowledged

he was not sure...

so Sayid was not sure ... Barack Obama junior was born in Kenya or in Hawaii.

Yet this is mounting evidence Obama was born in Kenya?

Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3324

Fight To Reveal Obama's Birth Certificate Continues
By John P. Connolly, The Bulletin 11/09/2008

Mr. Obama put an electronic photo of a birth certification on his "Fight the Smears" Web site, a document that his critics have found unconvincing. The raised seal and authoritative signature needed to validate the document cannot be seen on the scan. The Obama campaign was unwilling to release the original document to the court when Mr. Berg filed suit in August, choosing instead to argue against Mr. Berg's standing.

Mr. Berg asserts that Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, as his mother, Ann Dunham, was denied entry to the plane home due to her advanced pregnancy. Since she was only 18 at the time of Mr. Obama's birth, she would not have passed citizenship on to Mr. Obama. In 1961, citizenship could only be passed on to a child where one parent was an alien should the citizen parent have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, five of those over the age of 14.

The State of Hawaii has refused to release copies of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, because Department of Health officials say the privacy statutes of the state prevent them from doing so to anyone who does not have a "direct and tangible interest" in the record as prescribed in the state statute.

In Honolulu, Andy Martin, a longtime critic of Mr. Obama, filed a lawsuit in October, in an attempt to get the Hawaiian Department of Health to release Mr. Obama's birth certificate records. Mr. Martin announced last week that he plans to get members of the Electoral College to pressure Mr. Obama into presenting his birth certificate.

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20193200&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Settle for the moment on what Berg says as factually true. And WND republishes over and over again.

Mr. Berg asserts that Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, as his mother, Ann Dunham, was denied entry to the plane home due to her advanced pregnancy. Since she was only 18 at the time of Mr. Obama's birth, she would not have passed citizenship on to Mr. Obama. In 1961, citizenship could only be passed on to a child where one parent was an alien should the citizen parent have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, five of those over the age of 14.

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20193200&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Obama was born in Kenya, Berg asserts. So where is his substantiation for that as a factual statement?

Others in addition to Berg have used this same claim that Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was not a citizen at the time of Obama's birth date because from their assessments a law at the time would have precluded her being a citizen because she had not what resided in the U.S. for ten years, five of those over the age of 14?

Just look again to the refutation of that argument by way of Janego and Volokh.

Chicago Tribune Obama Birth Certificate Rumor Debunked

And further...

Obama Hawaiian-born: Citizen for sure Posted November 3, 2008 3:45 PM by James Janega

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

and further

November 8th, 2008 Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i by Andrew Walden

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/08/barack-obama-born-in-hawaii/

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Meanwhile, read closely, talk about having to read every single line and word of WND articles to get at exactly what is being stated and then coming away more puzzled by lack of substantiation:

2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth
Eligibility for presidency hinges on American citizenship
Posted: August 08, 2008
12:00 am Eastern © 2008 WorldNetDaily

Barack Obama

Israel Insider is reporting that analysts working separately have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulent, and now two different actions have been launched to try and obtain the truth about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's birth.

The Israel Insider report said the two analysts it interviewed both have been "able to independently discern the name 'Maya Kassandra Soetoro' from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document." Maya is Obama's younger half-sister.

The report follows a posting from another researcher, identified by the news publication as Techdude, that the birth certificate is a forgery because it originally documented the birth of a woman in the 1970s...

...The forensic computer investigators interviewed by the news publication concluded there are two obvious possibilities for the birth certificate image: A real certificate was scanned and digitally edited or a real certificate was scanned for the graphic layout, then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner.

The certificate was published by the Daily Kos June 12 following initial reports questioning Obama's place of birth. He's stated he was born in Hawaii, but if that was not the case, his citizenship could be uncertain, since his father was not a citizen and his mother was not old enough to pass along American citizenship automatically.

The issue originally was raised by Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog. He cited the "unlikely" possibility that Obama's 1961 birth was not within the U.S.

At the time, he wrote, "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for 10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

He then pointed out Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born, "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

When the Daily Kos website posted an image that appeared to be Obama's birth certificate, Geraghty announced he was satisfied.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71763

Again, read carefully.

First who are the forensic computer investigators interviewed by Israel Insider?

The forensic computer investigators interviewed by the news publication concluded there are two obvious possibilities for the birth certificate image: A real certificate was scanned and digitally edited or a real certificate was scanned for the graphic layout, then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner.

Do we learn names of 'forensic computer investigators from the WND article about the Israel Insider news publication?

Not by our reading. Names are not equated in the article to 'forensic computer investigators' yet we are expected to believe and trust in what unnamed and unidentified 'forensic computer investigators' have said in an interview conducted by Israel Insider, an interview which we have no accessibility to reading or viewing.

the matter strains credulity... but there is more. The WND article 2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth Eligibility for presidency hinges on American citizenship August 08, 2008 © 2008 WorldNetDaily

continues.

Israel Insider is reporting that analysts working separately have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulent, and now two different actions have been launched to try and obtain the truth about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's birth.

The Israel Insider report said the two analysts it interviewed both have been "able to independently discern the name 'Maya Kassandra Soetoro' from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document." Maya is Obama's younger half-sister.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71763

So who are the two analysts? Are they Blogger Mitchell Langbert and Ted Moran?

Can you name them specifically from reading the article? Is one of them Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog...???

Are the two analysts the Israel Insider intervied and who we are to assume are as well 'forensic computer investigators' any of persons named in the WND article? And who is using the material of TechTude to form the basis for any analysis?

Seriously now, if we presented TechDude as a resource, even an implication of a Techdude, an anonymous resource, used in an article we submitted for publication, or a book idea for submission to a reputable publishing house, we'd be forever tagged as worse than out-of-the-loop of journalistic ethics and professionalism.

We'd be considered as person don't bother us with your amateurism ever again.

Read the entire article first put forward as coming from an Israel Insider report and put forth as containing information from two analysts that

have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulentis not specifically resourced.

Techdude's real id is not revealed, the Dude remains anonymous by the end of the article.

Blogger Mitchell Langbert now has launched an online petition to the Federal Election Commission in which signers are asking the agency to "take responsibility to verify the eligibility of Mr. Barack H. Obama to be president of the United States."

Ted Moran, who said he wished to be contacted at brotherbear@solomonsstables.org, said he also was launching a campaign to discern the truth about Obama's birth certificate.

so Ok we're that far gone to try to cover all our bases.

Analyst 1 Langbert?

http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/08/petition-to-request-federal-elections.html

OK excerpt from Langbert's blog

An electronically-displayed image displayed by his official campaign website has alleged to have been a forgery, with the filing number blacked out.

So where is Langbert's proof of what the Israel Insider report said the analysts had revealed:

have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulentis not specifically resourced.

That determination is not made by Langbert on his blog. Instead Langbert only says "An electronically-displayed image... has alleged to have been a forgery, with the filing number blacked out.

For readers' sakes, where is the link usually one would supply when making a reference to a forgery? Nobody is identified as having put the forgery forward as a determination on Langbert's site.

As for the other implicated one of two potential analysts who Israel Insider reports

have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulentis not specifically resourced.

We're just having some fun speculating that one as Ted Moran... who doesn't give a website only an email addy to contact.

Ted Moran, who said he wished to be contacted at brotherbear@solomonsstables.org, said he also was launching a campaign to discern the truth about Obama's birth certificate.

We'd have to conduct another search when it should not be up to us to supply what Moran might have said which led the Israel Insider (and WND citing the Israel Insider) to potentially offer Moran as one of two analysts who

have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulentis not specifically resourced.

Notice, WND has not named the two analysts Israel Insider reported as being interviewed and as having made an actual determination of the Obama site electronic copy of a birth certificate being a forgery.

These are unnamed forensic computer investigators and analysts.

But most disturbing, World Net Daily does not even provide a link to the Israel Insider website which contains any of what is being reported as Israel Insider findings and conclusions based on interviews with two analysts, forensic computer investigators.

Not a single highlighted link to Israel Insider. Not even at the bottom of the page or when Israel Insider is named in the lead sentence is there a highlighted link.

Israel Insider is reporting that analysts working separately have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulent, and now two different actions have been launched to try and obtain the truth about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's birth.

The Israel Insider report said the two analysts it interviewed both have been "able to independently discern the name 'Maya Kassandra Soetoro' from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document." Maya is Obama's younger half-sister.

The report follows a posting from another researcher, identified by the news publication as Techdude, that the birth certificate is a forgery because it originally documented the birth of a woman in the 1970s.

Now if you read that yet again, you get the idea that the Israel Insider report is very likely based on a 'posting from another researcher, identified by the news publication as Techdude"...

Any other outfit did this kind of reporting and any reputation they had for accurate, honest, decent reporting previously would be gone immediately.

World Net Daily had been so much more than this kind of non-sense.

That reputable, or formerly so, publishing trailblazer World Net Daily would even include that mess from Israel Insider in any way as professionalism is disturbing in the final analysis.

WND has thrown all investigative caution to the well, WND.

How about we all use the highest order of common sense and logic, and refuse to be taken in by what appears moreso every day like an effort to gain web traffic to gain more paying ad sponsors, to sell more publications and books to site visitors, all because you can without regard for the truth. Truth which is revealed from displaying substantiated facts, not speculation, and certainly not presenting anonymous Techdudes as researchers we have to research.

And here you have it, the finality as you see from a single quick search we're proven right on target.

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Does anybody have an ounce of the reality bug left to simply not follow those crumbs to an already crumbled piece of stale bread? Or have any reason to follow along as Philip Berg presses forward with requests for more funding for his efforts?

Reportedly this BC reflects information filed Oct. 9 by Philip Berg….

http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?p=2044

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The Story of Barack Obama's Mother
By Amanda Ripley/Honolulu Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2008

...On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama's parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. "Nobody was invited," says Abercrombie. The motivations behind the marriage remain a mystery, even to Obama. "I never probed my mother about the details. Did they decide to get married because she was already pregnant? Or did he propose to her in the traditional, formal way?" Obama wonders. "I suppose, had she not passed away, I would have asked more."

Even by the standards of 1961, she was young to be married. At 18, she dropped out of college after one semester, according to University of Hawaii records. When her friends back in Washington heard the news, "we were very shocked," says Box, her high school friend.

Then, when Obama was almost 1, his father left for Harvard to get a Ph.D. in economics. He had also been accepted to the New School in New York City, with a more generous scholarship that would have allowed his family to join him. But he decided to go to Harvard. "How can I refuse the best education?" he told Ann, according to Obama's book.

Obama's father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there—a marriage that may or may not have been legal. In the end, Ann decided not to follow him. "She was under no illusions," says Abercrombie. "He was a man of his time, from a very patriarchal society." Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing "grievous mental suffering"—the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html

LOOK AT BARACK OBAMA'S PARENTS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423741,00.html

Timeline

http://www.barack-obama-timeline.com/ann_dunham/

BARACK OBAMA SR.
Wrestling with . . . a ghost' September 9, 2007

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545467,BSX-News-wotreev09.stng

Andrew Hoffman Here is the website that describes the most official birth certicate, exactly like the one Obama produced...

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhh

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/814409/barack_obamas_birth_certificate_stirs.html?cat=62

Supremes to review citizenship arguments
Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices
Posted: November 20, 2008 By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation's next president.

The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

Petitioners: If you're eligible, show us the proof!
Thousands sign online demand, reveal frustration over secrecy
Posted: November 22, 2008 By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily

Barack Obama

Thousands of people are jumping aboard a petition that demands documentation of President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to hold the highest office in the U.S., not just assurances from party officials.

Already more than 90,000 petitioners have joined the effort coordinated by WND founder and editor Joseph Farah.

To participate, sign the petition here.

A report accompanying Farah's petition explains the many questions raised about Obama's eligibility, from an apparently fabricated "Certification of Live Birth" posted online to questions about what nation's passport he used during to travel to Pakistan.

The signature total passed 10,000 within hours and was more than 45,000 just over a day later.

As WND reported, one case is scheduled for a conference among U.S. Supreme Court justices Dec. 5.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero.

The case, unsuccessful at the state level, was submitted to Justice David Souter, who rejected it. The case then was resubmitted to Justice Clarence Thomas. The next line on the court's docket says: "DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008."

If four of the nine justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81698

Is Obama's candidacy constitutional?
Secrecy over birth certificate, demand for 'natural-born' citizenship cited
Posted: June 10, 2008
2008 WorldNetDaily

Barack Obama

Bloggers are raising questions about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's qualifications to be U.S. president, because of the secrecy over his birth certificate and the requirement presidents be "natural-born" U.S. citizens.

Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog, cited the "unlikely" but still circulating rumor that Obama was born not within the United States, but elsewhere, possibly Kenya.

Geraghty defined the concerns most clearly, stating: "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

He then points out Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

Geraghty continues: " (Interestingly, apparently there isn't much paperwork on Obama's parents' marriage. 'Obama: From Promise to Power,' page. 27: 'Obama later confessed that he never searched for the government documents on the marriage, although Madelyn (Obama's maternal grandmother) insisted they were legally married.' Also note that Obama's father apparently was not legally divorced from his first wife back in Kenya at the time, a point of contention that ultimately led to their separation.)"

The reports released to date show Obama was born in Honolulu to Barack Hussein Obama Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, of Wichita, Kan.

According to FindLaw.com, which is cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

Obama's father, a student sent to the United States from Africa, lived several places in the United States while attending class. He then returned to his homeland. Obama's mother later married another man and moved to Indonesia.

Geraghty said the Obama campaign could "debunk" the rumors about his birth simply by releasing a copy of his birth certificate, but the campaign has so far chosen not to do that.

"The campaign cited the birth certificate in their 'Fact Check' on William Ayers, so presumably, someone in the campaign has access to it," he said.

Hawaii doesn't make public information from birth certificates.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66787

Is Obama’s candidacy constitutional?
Posted by True Obama Facts on 11 Jun 2008

Sam
Well, all the birth certificate really shows is that he was born in Hawaii. It still doesn’t settle the natural born citizen problem, unless of course the new laws were retroactive. Anyone know if they were indeed retroactive?
Sam

on 18 Jun 2008 at 2:01 pm # JB
Obama’s birth in Hawaii at a time when it was a state means that he is definitely a natural born citizen.

The section of law dealing with citizenship of parents and the length of their residency in the United States is that which deals with citizenship acquired by those born abroad to US citizen parents. This section is non-applicable to anyone born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction (meaning that they are not born into a diplomatic family that has immunity from the law), as those individuals acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. Had the law been written so as to deny citizenship being granted at the moment of birth to those in Obama’s situation, then the statute would have violated the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Therefore, Sam’s question of retroactivity is missing the point altogether because those citing the law are either basing their argument on a false allegation that Obama was born outside the United States or ignorance of both the nature of the statute that they are citing and the 14th Amendment.

Now, can we please act like adults and discuss the issues?

http://www.trueobamafacts.com/2008/06/11/is-obamas-candidacy-constitutional/

Obviously not

Barack Obama Not A U.S. Citizen
Published on 28-08-2008

http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-1282-0-15-15--.html

Latest smears prove Obama foes getting desperate
JOHN IBBITSON
jibbitson@globeandmail.com
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December 15, 2008
...Until Mr. Blagojevich came along, however, the best the blogosphere could fabricate was a ludicrous conspiracy that Mr. Obama is not a "natural born" citizen, and therefore constitutionally prohibited from assuming the presidency.

Why? Because his father was Kenyan. Or Mr. Obama allegedly renounced his citizenship while living in Indonesia. Or he was born in Africa, and his birth certificate is a forgery. Take your pick.

Various individuals have launched lawsuits in search of a judge who will issue an injunction before the inaugural, thus far without success.

No wonder the Republicans leapt on the Blagojevich scandal, despite the lack of any tangible connection to the incoming president. Come on, they're dying here.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/GAM.20081215.IBBITSON15/TPStory/TPComment