Update World Net Daily article doesn't address Chicago Tribune article Obama birth certificate rumor debunked
By James Janega | Tribune reporter October 30, 2008 or the statements by law professor Eugene Volokh quoted in the article, still...
Orders from new president to spark lawsuit every time
Lawyer lining up plaintiff groups until citizenship dispute addressed
Posted: November 25, 2008 By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82033
Original Post November 25, 2008 Net the Truth Online
Meanwhile, the ultra-conservative (not meant as a perjorative since most of that nature accurately call our nation a Constitutional Republic) net magazine World Net Daily is so obsessed with Barack Obama's birth certificate they've neglected Bush's neglect to pardon border patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, so far to date.
Bush pardons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush
Increasing pardons from George W. Bush, without any attention to the obscene and unconscionable plight of Ramos and Compean.
Lou Dobbs and Joseph Farah's World Net Daily have been at the forefront of reporting on the selective federal prosecution, jury conviction (based on lies and withholding of exculpatory evidence), and controversial imprisonment of the two border patrol agents and how that transpired. Coverage has been of the highest caliber from those quarters.
CNN Lou Dobbs Video & Transcript: Ramos & Compean Pardon
Lou Dobbs Tonight ^ | November 18, 2008 | Staff
Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:38:48 AM by flattorney
Lou Dobbs Tonight Transcript
- Kitty Pilgrim, Guest Anchor
11th Hour Pardons - Ramos & Compean
Aired Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Are former border patrol agents Ramos and Compean closer to a presidential pardon? We'll have a special report PILGRIM: President Bush has issued only 157 pardons and commuted six prison sentences during his time in office. And the president still has 63 days left to consider remaining clemency requests and two of those requests are from Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. In a gross miscarriage of justice the two former border patrol agents were convicted of shooting and wounding an illegal alien drug dealer they were pursuing. And now they are serving lengthy prison terms. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have called for Ramos and Compean to be released from prison, but so far the White House has not been listening.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2134659/posts
Wed July 18, 2007 Dobbs: Time to free Ramos and Compean
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/17/Dobbs.July18/index.html
August 2008 Bush: Go with integrity,pardon our border agents
Exclusive: Doug Powers calls on presidentto prove justice trumps political friendship
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71428
Archives search
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.search&keywords=+ramos+compean+border+patrol&authorId=&search_WND.x=15&search_WND.y=6
While WND recently published No mercy for jailed Border Patrol agent there's no follow-up noting recent Bush pardons exclude the two men who face up to 10 years and 12 years in prison.
WND's nearly salivating like a dog seeing raw (red-state) meat over President-Elect Barack Obama's birth and proof of citizenship to qualify for the Presidency with a half-dozen articles today on the controversy over Obama's production of a copy of what is now being called by theorists a certificate of live birth (COLB) rather than an original birth certificate.
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Embassy: Obama not born in Kenya
Office claims ambassador was speaking about president-elect's father in radio interview --WND
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82031
Proofin' the prez: Who's in charge?
Constitutional lawyer says electors have duty to investigate citizenship --WND
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81944
FAITH2ACTION
Rathergate II: Certification of Live Birth a clear forgery
Exclusive: Janet Porter seeks readers' help in forcing congressional hearings on issue --WND
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81943
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Petitioners tell prez-elect: Prove eligibility for office
Thousands sign online demand, reveal frustration over secrecy --WND
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Sign petition to see Barack Obama's birth certificate
Online effort launched by WND to help answer presidential eligibility question --WND
WND AT THE WHITE HOUSE
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Prez passes on Obama's eligibility
'I don't think I have anything to say on that,' says spokesman --WND
BETWEEN THE LINES
Insufficient public interest?
Exclusive: Joseph Farah proves citizens are concerned over Obama's eligibility to serve --WND
WND ON THE AIR
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birthplace heats up Liddy show
Farah fills in on syndicated program for 3 days --WND
WND FORUMS
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Is he or isn't he? The debate over Obama's eligibility
New feature focuses on birth certificate, the U.S. Constitution and doubts --WND
WorldNetDaily
Supremes to review citizenship arguments
Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices --WND
Blogger's Obama-certificate lawsuit dismissed
Hawaii Circuit Court judge says Net author has no standing to get birth document
--Honolulu Advertiser
The great birth certificate scandal/cover-up
Journalist examines claims that Obama not eligible for presidency --Tulsa Today
http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1799&Itemid=2
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Petitioners tell prez-elect: Prove eligibility for office
Thousands sign online demand, reveal frustration over secrecy --WND
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81698
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/
Previous focus by WND on Obama birth
Is he or isn't he? The debate over Obama's eligibility
New feature focuses on birth certificate, the U.S. Constitution and doubts
Posted: November 20, 2008
2:44 pm Eastern © 2008 WorldNetDaily
The "eligible" President-elect Obama
Is he or isn’t he? That's the focus of a new WND forum that offers readers an opportunity to express their opinion on whether Barack Obama is eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution.
There have been dozens of questions – and about that many legal cases – so far over the campaign's failure to document his status as a "natural-born" U.S. citizen, a status that is required by the constitution to hold the highest office.
WND has reported on at least one of those legal challenges to Obama's name being on the 2008 presidential ballot reaching the U.S. Supreme Court, with a "conference" on the dispute scheduled on Dec. 5...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81547
Well someone else has caught on to WND's extravaganza...
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Christianists Ramp Up Obama Birth Certificate Attacks
The right-wing just won't let go of their "Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen" bit of nonsense. Today the Christiantist site World Net Daily is asking their readers to FedEx letters to the Supreme Court demanding they hold a hearing on the subject. They also want letters sent to Republican members of Congress saying, "Please hold congressional hearings to investigate whether Barack Obama meets the basic constitutional requirements for the highest office of the land."
They are also demanding that the members of the Electoral College prove Obama's citizenship before their December 15th vote that will officially make him president...
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/11/christianists-ramps-up-obama-birth.html
But not in the same way we have...
We are supportive of finding truth, no matter what the truth reveals or who the truth hurts.
Isn't the Obama birth certificate and birthplace issue basically settled in light of former Congressional action adequately explained in an October Chicago Tribune article:
Obama birth certificate rumor debunked James Janega Tribune reporter October 30, 2008
From the article:
Conservative critics have suggested that Obama may have been born outside the U.S. and is not a "natural born citizen" eligible for the presidency. But they present no evidence that he was born anywhere other than Hawaii...
...The issue of whether Obama is a "natural born citizen"—a citizen at birth—was raised in a June 10 article on the conservative Web site World Net Daily.
Article II of the U.S. Constitution says, "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States ... shall be eligible to the Office of President." Acts of Congress in 1790 and 1795 clarify that "the children of citizens of the United States ... shall be considered as natural born citizens."
Republican candidate John McCain faced, and overcame, similar questions because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone while his Navy father was stationed there.
Hawaii was a state in 1961, when Obama was born. Any person born in the U.S. automatically is a "natural born citizen," said University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh.
Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said. Stanley Ann Dunham would have counted even if Obama's Kenyan father did not.
If this becomes an issue in a post-election eligibility challenge, expect a likely sticking point to be the legal definition in 1961 of how parents could be called U.S. citizens for this purpose, Volokh said. At the time Obama was born, the law stated that a person would be considered a "natural born citizen" if either parent was a citizen who had lived at least 10 years in the U.S., including five years after the age of 14—in other words, 19.
Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified even if Obama was born in another country, Volokh said. Congress made the law retroactive to 1952, doubly covering Obama.
Any legal challenge would have to argue that Congress can't make someone retroactively a citizen at birth, and prove Obama was born outside of the U.S. after all...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-birth-certificate-30-oct30,0,1742172.story
In our earlier piece, Tuesday, November 18, 2008 World Net Daily: Wants Obama Birth Certificate Ploy we criticize WND for not reviewing the Chicago Tribune article which outlines several arguments that should settle the Obama ineligibility to be President question.
Today, finding WND's founder citing the status of his petition drive (for release of Obama's birth certificate) as proof United States (American) citizens are hot on the issue of Barack Obama's 'natural-born' citizenship led us to revisit the issue as we are compelled to do, obsessively so, we're warning.
Farah unveiled particulars of the petition effort:
Obama's state secret: His birth certificate!
Posted: November 21, 2008
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81581
Here's Obama's reproduction of the document under scrutiny published at his Fight the Smears site
http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
WND's coverage of this issue has been lacking in providing information easily obtained from even a quick review of Chicago Tribune article Obama birth certificate rumor debunked.
In fact, the Chicago Tribune article notes WND upfront.
The issue of whether Obama is a "natural born citizen"—a citizen at birth—was raised in a June 10 article on the conservative Web site World Net Daily.
Why Farah's and WND's silence on the material presented in the article from the statements of expert law professor at the University of California Los Angeles?
More on Eugene Volokh later.
Sites such as factcheck.org (though we have had our disagreements with them), and politifact.com, have investigated the certificate, reviewed the reproduction of the Obama certificate found on Obama's Fight the Smears campaign site, and come to conclusions the certificate is proof-enough of Obama's Honolulu birth.
As explained in the Chicago Tribune article, Congress enacted a law which applied to births occurring outside the U.S. but involving one biological parent who is a U.S. citizen. The law applies retroactively, back to 1952. Obama was born in 1961.
Farah unfortunately is appearing like an obsessive compulsive. Not that we are bothered by that, as we've similarly embraced such on many issues, especially election-related matters. And there were the matters of Larry Johnson's critique of Peter Lance's statement he exclusively discovered... and Daniellyn's birth... was she or was she not a United States citizen having been born in...
Joseph Farah highlighted results from his petition drive to justify a public interest in the Obama eligibility question. In his article, Farah claims:
But it is that other excuse for not releasing the document that really has me bugged – "insufficient evidence to indicate that the public interest supports" the release.
Let me point you to Exhibit A in the evidence-of-public-interest department: It is a petition I launched Friday to all controlling legal authorities – Congress, Supreme Court, Federal Elections Commission, Electoral College, etc. – urging scrutiny of the original birth certificate and release of facsimile to the public.
Within 24 hours, 24,000 people had signed up.
Within 48 hours, 48,000 people had signed up.
Do you see a pattern here?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81865
Don't get us wrong, we are all for truth and following the letter of the U.S. Constitution. First off, what comes to mind immediately, who can trust web-generated petitioning because those can be jimmied. Everybody knows this, and surely Farah must realize savvy poll-takers can vote not only once or twice but thousands of times.
Isn't it odd that petition signers exactly doubled in amount over a 2 day period as Farah indicates? give or take a few depending on later real-time results?
Farah continues
"Barack Obama may have won the presidential election, but is he eligible to serve? That's a question on the minds of millions of Americans eager to see his birth certificate and find out for sure if he was born in the U.S., as he claims," states the forum introduction.
"At least two of his relatives in Kenya claim to have been present at his birth in Mombasa, Kenya. In addition, the Obama machine has scoffed at requests to see the form of the Hawaiian birth certificate that includes the specific hospital in which the delivery took place. The form released by the campaign does not include that information, leading to suspicions Obama might have been one of the foreign-born babies of the 1960s who were, nonetheless, provided birth certificates by the state of Hawaii. Now it's time for you to sound off on this controversy."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81547
Is he eligible to serve? WND and Farah ignore the Congressional action noted in the Chicago Tribune article which is puzzling to say the least.
Consider, how many voters actually voted for Barack Obama over John McCain? And how many voters voted for Obama in total?
50,000 or 100,000 or 1 million petition signers are not an indication there's an overwhelming interest in Obama producing the physical original birth certificate, and still there's the matter of the former Congressional action which would certainly appear to make the eligibility issue moot.
Yet there is the nagging thought of the potential Obama became aware of some conspiracy (at some point during pursuit of his political career presumably) to hide a birth which occurred outside the country (necessitating a coverup by his mother and biological father, family members, and numerous government officials) would of course matter to sticklers for the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
so while we maintain Farah is evidencing he's compulsively obsessed with having Barack Obama prove the where and when and who of his birth, what would it hurt to have a look-see at Obama's actual Hawaiian-issued birth certificate?
Just open up the door to the courthouse vault (or storage facility) and have international and U.S. news crews follow Barack Obama, his attorneys, and private document security officials into the light and show us all the certificate in real-time on the internet.
this would be fascinating, and should settle the question, unless, yes there is an unless, Farah and Jerome Corsi and Porter and Alan Keyes and Philip Berg, and Andy Martin and/or representatives of any and all interested parties (could grow into the millions after books are published) would want to actually touch and handle the birth certificate and test it for authenticity.
Wouldn't that be the logical next demand?
We want to actually hold the certificate in our hands, and while we're at it let's have our own testing done to determine its validity.
How far are some inquisitive people willing to go? Or maybe how far gone are they?
We still cringe that no investigative journalist to this day has asked President George W. Bush why on the morning of September 11, 2001 he remained seated in a second-grade classroom for some (exactly we found) 6-minutes longer after being told within minutes of the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center a second plane had crashed into the World Trade Center towers and "America is under attack."
See our site This is Not A Conspiracy Theory
This Is Not A Conspiracy Theory Bush Remains in Second Grade Classroom
http://dirtline.tripod.com/talkacrosstown/id11.html
Back then in late 2001 we had a newly-elected President who was told by Andrew Card, his chief of staff, "America is under attack" and the President doesn't stop listening to the little children practicing reading to attempt to determine what is the extent of the 'attack?'
Not even Joseph Farah has asked for that particular truth over 8-years of Bush's presidency. Why the lack of curiosity? We can't help but get our dander up over this matter as that obsessive-compulsive search for truth no matter who the truth hurts inevitably takes over.
Yet Farah and Corsi and others are so concerned that the majority of the people of these United States in the election process we have traditionally followed - majority state winner gets all the Electoral Ccollege delegates from the state - elected an individual whose birth may have occurred elsewhere, something Obama would have had no control over at any rate anyway, and which would in the end still not preclude Obama from becoming the 'elected' President because of the former Congressional action all of which the Chicago Tribune article, Obama birth certificate rumor debunked explains.
Explains in large part via Eugene Volokh (who we'll get to in a bit).
Not only that, but the Founding Framers of the Constitution did an everlasting and irretrievable disservice to this country by enabling slavery to continue in this nation long past the ratification of the Constitution in 1789. In this 21st Century year 2008 by majority vote a free nation's people of all ethnicities elected the nation's first African-American to the Presidency, knowing full well of all of Obama's heritage even the made up parts which has been investigated unlike few others.
We'll say this, if any other but Barack Obama with his lawyer/s present touch the original documentation of his birth, we will not believe that document has not been tampered with in some way.
In fact, who could trust such has not already happened in this day and age all it takes is a large amount of money to be quietly and secretly tranferred into a numbered foreign bank account and voila, what turns up is a fake really fake birth certificate. Maybe one that looks like it's a blanked copy of a template, even.
There's just too much motive for somebody to now at this time to substitute another fakery for the original Barack Hussein Obama II birth certificate. Isn't there? Maybe it's already been done, just in case the "powers that be" decide Obama has to be let go before he takes the oath of office.
OK we're catching the WND fever. (It's exhilarating)
Farah says:
Do you believe the American people have a right to know for certain their next president is constitutionally eligible for the job?
Without a chance to inspect that birth certificate for themselves, do you think we can ever be certain?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81581
Hasn't the Chicago Tribune article Obama birth certificate rumor debunked James Janega Tribune reporter October 30, 2008
addressed Farah's and company's contentions Obama is 'ineligible' from several different angles and aspects?
The article after all cites University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh's expert opinions.
WND has ignored the expert when the law professor's statements and analysis have circulated for nearly a month now.
Search results note USA Today...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=University+California+Los+Angeles+law+professor+Eugene+Volokh+obama+birth&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
We're still leaning it would be interesting to see Obama hold up his actual birth certificate in real time and broadcast on You-Tube, with that huge smile of his gleaming (though he doesn't have the insider hand-signal down pat yet), but as we've conjectured, that will not be enough for the promotors of the idea the certificate is a fake to begin with. And what will be enough, holding the original, submitting it to forensic science investigation?
The entire episode is appearing more and more like the obsession with the birth of Anna Nicole Smith's daughter (Danielyn or Dannylynn) - was she or was she not a citizen of the United States having been born in another country... and no matter of which biological father of a mother (deceased shortly after the birth) who was a United States citizen?
The answer to that question should have indicated the answer to the question of Obama's eligibility to be a candidate for any high office of these United States and 'elected' President by the people (and compliance of Electoral College delegates to that outcome).
though the WND Forum comments are as interesting as reading what the Framers of the Constitution actually said about, well everything...
Uh actually, the WND/Farah petition Obama name is in error - it's Barack Hussein Obama II.
PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
The (birth certificate) image posted initially at Daily Kos and discussed as potentially fabricated, elsewhere.
Daily Kos
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
Updated at 5:15 p.m., Friday, October 31, 2008
Hawaii officials declare Obama birth certificate genuine
State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064/0/BREAKING04
Snopes
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
snopes link
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
Very interesting take on the certificate, unexpectedly so...
issue covered at conservapedia
http://conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama#cite_note-180
Factcheck.org goes the distance and reveals certificate of birth number and produces birth announcement published in Honolulu newspaper though the theorists would suppose the hospital from which the birth was announced could've been in on the cover-up from the beginning.
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate
...The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641...
...In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
On the other side which we drift back to just cause we are obsessive compulsive...
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of palpably fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears...
... ON THE UNBEARABLE EASE OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY
None of this is not to imply that McKinnon himself forged the Obama document, with all the fields filled in with information about the presidential candidate but lacking the visible stamp and signature that alone would make it an authentic document. Nor is their proof positive about how the almost-blank "Oahu 7:24pm" document is related to the one endorsed by the Obama campaign that features those exact details.
The presence on the Daily Kos blog of the admittedly forged almost-blank templates of the document, and the admission of forgery by opendna in that same blog entry, should cause the Obama campaign to reassess its reliance on the image of the birth certificate published by the Daily Kos.
If the website is the home for a self-admitted federally-trained document specialist, with examples of forgery posted concurrently with the image they claim as authentic, is that a venue appropriate for a presidential candidate to showcase the only available high resolution purported image of his vital records? If the birth certificate endorsed by his campaign turns out to be a fraud -- and the overwhelming evidence assembled points to it being precisely that -- what would that say about the credentials and judgment of the presidential candidate it purports to represent? Let alone his Constitutional eligibility to serve.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
Could the Obama birth certificate posted at Daily Kos be a fake? Posted by Eye Doc On June - 21 - 2008
...naomiekeys Said,
It appears you can download a blank Hawaiian birth certificate template and fill it in. If you look at the blank form on photo bucket (Blank except Hour of Birth 7:24 and OAJU):
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/HI_birthcert.jpg?t=1213561049
Isn’t it a coincidence that Obama was born at 7:24 pm the same time on the blank form?
Posted on June 22nd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
http://blogwonks.com/2008/06/21/could-the-obama-birth-certificate-posted-at-daily-kos-be-a-fake/
On the other hand again and don't say we didn't warn of our obsessive-compulsiveness...
Anchan64 Said,
Here’s a list of some more ridiculous things that the anti-Obama people made up and started whining about…
“He traveled to Pakistan when there was a Ban on US travel”… NO.. the only travel bans at that time were to North Korea, Libya and Cuba… If you look up travel ban to Pakistan on Google, I guarantee you you won’t find anything… it never existed. Look up travel bans to the places I mentioned, you find them because they did exist.
His mother wasn’t old enough to pass her citizenship to her son … NO, the 14 th amendment clearly says that anyone born in the US is a citizen and that no law can be made to abridge this right.
The Kenyan Constitution says that all people who have Kenyan fathers are Kenyan citizens and, since Kenya doesn’t allow dual citizenship, this nullifies Obama’s citizenship…. NO! this one is simply ridiculous… anyone who believes that the Kenyan constitution takes precedent over the US constitution when it comes to US citizenship just is unreasonable. If the 14th amendment doesn’t allow US law to negate citizenship, it sure as hell isn’t going to let foreign governments negate Amrican’s citizenship.
The State of Hawaii was taken over illegally by the US govt, so it’s not really part of the US. Do I really have to give you reasons why this isn’t true?…
etc, etc, ect… and each time you idiots just repeat these stupid things and say… well, if he’d just deal with this ONE issue, then it would be over….
And, all of these ridiculous things weren’t enough… then PUMA, an organization of McCain supporters, hired Berg to file a suit against Obama using wikipedia as his primary source of evidence (look it up people… it’s on his site obamacrimes.com)
http://blogwonks.com/2008/06/21/could-the-obama-birth-certificate-posted-at-daily-kos-be-a-fake/
Why Is Maya Soetoro’s Name on Barack’s Phony Certificate of Live Birth?
By Larry Johnson
Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-08-05 02:29:54
This is a huge issue. Not only was the document forged, but the template used was Barack’s sister’s COLB.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/05/why-is-maya-soetoros-name-on-baracks-phony-certificate-of-live-birth/
Rush Raises Issue of Obama Birth CertificateWe admit, it is becoming a bit rankling to hear Obama continuing to stumble over his words when speaking. Uh, his habit of puffing out his cheeks when making a specific emphasis of a point or two we can get used to, certainly easier to take than McCain and Palin's different winking styles.
October 23rd
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/10/23/rush-raises-issue-of-obama-birth-certificate/
Speaking now, his hands visible from time to time, Obama doesn't seem to have that insider gesture down yet, though. Watch his hands, are they really his?
We're drawn back to what we posted way upfront - the reproduced image of the birth certificate published on the Fight the Smears Obama site.
http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
We have to wonder, why the links to Washington Post and to Factcheck.org at the base of the page? Isn't this document reproduction supposed to be a copy of an original copy of an original document which copy is in the possession of Barack Obama? Why the necessity to link to sites which use the same copy of a copy you've provided to confirm its authenticity?
And what about Eugene Volokh? Thought we'd forget he was the law professor who is quoted in the Chicago Tribune article which particulars should settle the Obama eligibility question?
Who is he?
On his weblog, Volokh addresses a wide variety of issues, with a focus on politics and law. He has criticized judicial citations of Wikipedia, arguing that information found on Wikipedia may be unreliable...
...His brother, Alexander "Sasha" Volokh, is a co-blogger at the Volokh Conspiracy and a visiting professor at the Georgetown University Law Center.
Since May 2005 he has been a contributing blogger at The Huffington Post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Volokh
Ah, the Volokh Conspiracy...
what's going on over there?
Re-issuance of birth certificates to reflect the names of the new parents is routinely done ...... Barack Obama, or former Sen. John Edwards is president. ...
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_07_29-2007_08_04.shtml
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=eugene+volokh+barack+obama+birth+certificate&start=10&sa=N
All and still, why hasn't Joseph Farah debunked the debunker/s (Volokh and Chicago Tribune)
Farah doesn't need to? Because now it doesn't matter if Obama would be eligible despite if it's shown he was born elsewhere, now what matters is Obama tried to cover-up his birth by not producing an original birth certificate?
Farah and company are after the truth, so at the end of the website contents, just click on our donate form and send in your ten bucks to continue our efforts.
Oh, that's on the Obama website... too...
Net the Truth Online
And this is what WND ignored today and counting down to a new obsession. How many years til Ramos and Compean are pardoned?
Bush pardons 14 and commutes 2 prison sentences
Bush also commuted the prison sentences of John Edward Forte of North Brunswick, N.J., and James Russell Harris of Detroit, Mich. Both were convicted of cocaine offenses.
Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.
Some high-profile individuals, such as Michael Milken, are seeking a pardon on securities fraud charges. Two politicians convicted of public corruption - former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards - are asking Bush to shorten their prison terms.
One hot topic of discussion related to pardons is whether Bush might decide to issue pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office to government employees who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Some constitutional scholars and human rights groups want the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama to investigate possible war crimes.
If Bush were to pardon anyone involved, it would provide protection against criminal charges, particularly for people who were following orders or trying to protect the nation with their actions. But it would also be highly controversial.
At the same time, Obama advisers say there is little - if any - chance that his administration would bring criminal charges.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081124/D94LJF9G0.html
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