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Friday, January 19, 2007

Myth of Border Agents Presidential Pardons

It is imperative to sign the petition at grassfire.org first, if you have not already done so, and/or contact President George Bush and demand a pardon for Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=11534548&NID=1

White House Phone: 202-456-111
White House Fax: 202-456-2461
White House E-mail: comments@whitehouse.gov
Congress and Pelosi: 866-340-9281
Attorney Albert Gonzales: 202-514-2001
Prosecuting Attorny Office (Johnny Sutton & Debra Kanof): 210-384-7400
Tony Snow: 202-456-2673


Link from http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/ contains information and material and a link to form to send email

Urgent Appeal for Presidential Pardon
Two Border Patrol Agents Being Railroaded for Political Purposes


http://capwiz.com/usbc/index_frame.dbq?url=http://capwiz.com/usbc/issues/alert/?alertid=9177571&type=PR

The following was compiled by Net the Truth Online which alone takes full responsibility for tagging KFOX-TV headline Bush: Convicted Border Agents Could be Pardoned a myth.

Friday's KFOX-TV news breaking interview with President George W. Bush in El Paso, Texas produced the astonishing headline
Bush: Convicted Border Agents Could Be Pardoned
which we'll show has been manufactured to create the hype and hope that President George W. Bush may pardon Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, two border patrol agents prosecuted by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton and convicted by a Texas jury for pursuing and shooting a fleeing illegal alien, and smuggling suspect, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila of Mexico.

The idea that Bush may pardon the two border patrol agents quells resounding and growing criticism of President Bush for his continued inaction in the case since their trial which began in March 2006 and ended after two weeks. According to World Net Daily a federal jury convicted Compean, 28, and Ramos, 37, in March after a two-week trial on charges of causing serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence and a civil rights violation.

Wednesday, January 17, 2007, the men entered federal prison to begin serving sentences of 11 and 12 years for those charges.

Before the conviction, supporters of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean began an effort to obtain justice, including seeking a pardon from President George W. Bush.

According to http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/ ...For months multiple organizations have been working with members of Congress to raise awareness of this case. One member who has been leading the charge is Congressman Walter Jones (R-NC). Over the past four months, Congressman Jones has written seven letters to the Bush administration regarding the Ramos and Compean case: three to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, one to Press Secretary Tony Snow, and three to President Bush himself.

Indeed, one of the letters sent to Attorney General Gonzales was signed by 22 members of Congress; another by six members.


However, during the Christmas holiday, President George W. Bush reportedly began the process to pardon, and therefore exonerate several persons, but Ramos and Compean were not among the commutation and pardons...

Bush pardons 16, commutes sentence in drug case
POSTED: 7:20 p.m. EST, December 21, 2006

President Bush issued 16 pardons Thursday and commuted the sentence of an Iowa man convicted of drug charges.

Six of the federal offenses were drug crimes, while others included bank fraud, mail fraud, the acceptance of a kickback, a false statement on a loan application and conspiracy to defraud the government over taxes... The longest sentence was nine years, for aiding cocaine distribution, followed by a six-year term for conspiracy to possess marijuana
...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/21/bush.pardons.ap/index.html

Following the leniency for those who were convicted of drug crimes, but continued neglect of Ramos and Compean, criticism of President George W. Bush's inaction on the case swelled, spreading as quickly as a Malibu fire.

23. To: fitz, all (#1)

Will he pardon those two innocent border agents?

No...

But he has "pardoned" 25,000,000 illegal Mexican invaders.

liberator posted on 2006-12-22


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=170453

Border agents plead for 'Christmas pardon'
Congressman hosts rally asking Bush to stop 'miscarriage of justice'


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53448

The day the two men entered federal prison to begin 11 and 12 year sentences, one Congressman, a Republican, called President Bush a disgrace according to WND's January 17, 2007 article, Border Agents Sent to Prison

Border agents sent to prison
Angry Republican congressman calls President Bush 'disgrace'
Posted: January 17, 2007 By Art Moore © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53805

What has a majority of American citizens upset is the nonchalance of the Bush Administration towards protecting our borders and enforcing existing laws regarding illegal aliens.

Fox News cable network programming featured the Bush pardon item throughout the course of the Friday, starting with Fox 'n Friends early morning, spiraling onward with Bill Hemmer, and continuing through Hannity and Colmes late evening.

Oddly, Hannity and Colmes had family of the men in one segment, apart from the next segment which featured the one person the family would have wanted to grill, publicly, U.S. Attorney, Johnny Sutton!

Hannity introduced the segments with the Bush pardon, and then never once asked the family or Sutton what their thoughts were on that!

Hopefully, the family will notice our blog and watch the KFOX-TV video of the Bush interview.

All is not as it appears to be, as we show herein. President Bush did not - we repeat - offer to consider a pardon during the interview by KFOX-TV reporter Alison Burns.

Even skeptical World Net Daily, whose editor, Joseph Farah blasted Bush January 17, 2007 in his article "Presidents Must Obey Law Too" unquestioningly picked up the Fox News AP headlines and linked to the then breaking news:

Bush Considering Pardon for Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Mexican Drug Runner

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C244938%2C00.html

AP President Bush Would Consider Pardoning Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Drug Runner Friday, January 19, 2007

All day long, nobody questioned the KFOX TV news report and headlines.

Mythical Morning

According to Fox 'n Friends trio Carlson, Doocy, and Kilmeade discussing the issue:

President Bush may pardon the two federal law enforcement agents.

"There's a process for pardons, says President Bush...

It’s got to work its way through a system here in the government. I just want people to take a sober look at the case.”


The announcement departs from indications by Tony Snow, Gretchen Carlson said, the other day, when according to Snow, the agents didn't know the man had drugs on him and it was daylight... they retrieved spent shells and didn't report they'd discharged firearms...

"Border guards must obey the law, too," said Snow.

http://www.google.com/search?q=border+guards+must+obey+law+too&hl=en&sourceid=gd&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2006-40,GGLD:en

We will show President George W. Bush did not say what he's quoted as saying:

I just want people to take a sober look at the case.

In fact, Bush said "I just want people to take a sober look at the reality ."

That is far different than using the word "case," which President Bush does not use.

Just review the video posted to the right on the http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html site.

Another AP headline: Bush open to idea of pardon for former U.S. Border Patrol agents who shot Mexican drug dealer

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/01/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Border-Agents-Shooting.php

Maybe if it's repeated often enough - all day long on the Fox News network - people will begin to believe it. If it shows up in worldwide news reports, people will begin to believe it. Even the family of Ramos and Compean, apparently believe it, according to CNN report included in a discussion of the case on Lou Dobbs Tonight.

But here at Net the Truth Online, we're checking deeper, reading the reports closer because, after all, it's a day after the two border patrol agents are sent to prison, it's after Congressman Rohrbacher calls President Bush a "disgrace," and it's months after rallies and activism of supporters to do right by these two border patrol agents.

A mere day after Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean entered federal prison, January 18, along comes El Paso-based KFOX TV's interview with President George W. Bush.

Bush: Convicted Border Agents Could Be Pardoned

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

Is the KFOX TV astonishing headlined news announcement of a possible pardon by President George W. Bush accurate?

No, it is not accurate.

Is the KFOX TV report misleading?

Yes, the report is misleading.


Note reporters for the article:

Alison Burns, Catherine Reynolds and Scott MacFarlane, KFOX-TV

Notice, Alison Burns conducted the interview of George W. Bush.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

We submit the KFOX TV report and headline are in error. Burns in fact paraphrases wording the President of the United States never uttered during the interview.

View the videotape posted on the site to the right, entitled KFOX TV Exclusive.

Bush did not say as the KFOX TV headline announces Bush: Convicted border agents could be pardoned.

After a careful rereading of the original KFOXTV report as posted and on which all subsequent news reports are based, including AP and Fox News, and CNN, we found the article does not quote President Bush saying he will consider pardons.

In fact, note what is in quotes, what Bush actually said as indicated by quotation marks:

a White House review will take place. “People need to take a tough look at the facts, the evidence a jury looked at, as well as (the) judge. And I will do the same thing,”

Bush said the cases of Compean and Ramos have “got a lot of emotions”.

“Border Patrol and law enforcement have no stronger supporter than me,” he said.


Notice. None of that is saying he would consider pardons at this point. But that's what is the headline of the piece, and the lead sentence portray.

President Bush on Thursday indicated that a presidential pardon for two Texas Border Patrol Agents remains a possibility.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

We reviewed the actual video provided on the KFOX TV site. And we followed the actual chronology of questions and responses. Doing so reveals an entirely different interpretation than what is being reported nationwide, on Fox and as we found later, also on CNN. See below.

KFOX Exclusive: Bush to consider Pardon for Border Patrol Agents

Listen to President Bush's exact words from the KFOX TV video of Alison Burns interview of President Bush


Alison Burns reporting

Bush tells me he is carefully considering the case and a pardon is still a possibility but he seems skeptical of letting the two border agents off the hook.

Bush: just want people to take a sober look at the reality.

Burns: President Bush tells me he realizes it's an emotional issue but he's relying on facts what do you think about their situation and how do you decide to grant a pardon?

Bush: there are standards that need to be met in law enforcement and according to a jury of their peers, these officers violated some standards, on this case people need to take a hard look at the facts, the evidence the jury looked at as well as the judge. I will do the same thing. Border patrol or law enforcement has no stronger supporter than me.


http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

The bottom line here is people need to do more than take a sober look at the reality, they need to act to support the two unjustly convicted border agents.

The KFOX TV interview exchange does not show President Bush stating in any way he is at this time considering a possibility of pardoning the two border agents, Ramos and Compean.

In fact, carefully reviewing the video, it seems more likely that Bush may want to provide the case for vindication of how the United States Justice Department prosecuted the two border agents!

Review the video again and match it against the AP report posted on the Fox News website and the KFOX TV report. The report extracts only part of what President Bush said, and lays that out as if it was said chronologically, all together.

Bush said "there's a process for pardons" and the case has to work its way through the system. In an interview with KFOX-TV in El Paso, Texas, Bush said the White House will review the case, and he urged people to "take a sober look at the case."

"People need to take a tough look at the facts, the evidence a jury looked at, as well as the judge. And I will do the same thing," he said.


Mythical Afternoon

Bill Hemmer on the afternoon Fox on line report repeats the same headlines and wording. The news reporter ___ said partially... supporters of the two convicted border patrol agents are encouraged this morning by news of a potential presidential pardon... yesterday the president seemed to leave open the possibility of a presidential pardon.

The clip shown is only that portion where Bush says he'll do the same as the jury and the judge. The segment did not include the whole portion of what Bush said!

Worse, the jury convicted the agents and the judge after a review refused to grant the men bond while seeking an appeal!

Mythical Evening

This evening, Sean Hannity introduces the topic of the Presidential pardon at the beginning of Hannity and Colmes.

President Bush is considering a pardon of the two agents... he has said he will take a sober look at a pardon for the agents...

Hannity and Colmes are interviewing family of border patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean. We're listening. Mary Stillinger, agents' attorney... and father-in-law. Following them was Johnny Sutton.

Sutton says they shot at him 15 times... they didn't report to their supervisor, they covered up...

The prosecutor defended his prosecution. Hannity asks whether he disputes that the suspect had a gun.

Colmes asks if he had a gun.

Sutton says the jury determined he didn't have a gun.

Then Sutton said other agents were nearby at the top of the levee, why didn't the two warn them if the suspect had a gun.

They knew they shot at an unarmed man and they covered it up...

Again, where did Hannity get the quote that Bush is taking a sober look at a pardon for the agents?

Fox News/AP picked up the KFOX TV report and all the network anchors do is reiterate without checking the actual videotape of the KFOX TV interview and the myth of President Bush possibly pardoning the border agents is born and put into action.

The myth could continue not only into Tuesday, January 21, 2007 State of the Union address by President Bush, but for another year or two, then President Bush is out of office.

Those pesky naysayers are meanwhile given hope, the family is given hope, just as we initially had, for pardons sooner rather than later. But that may not ever happen.

Meanwhile, President Bush isn't likely to set the record straight, ever. Nor is Tony Snow, White House Communications Director.

Bill O'Reilly also needs to be criticized for his handling of this situation over the past few days. On Thursday, O'Reilly interviewed Johnny Sutton, the prosecuter in the case without having a guest who could point by point rebut Sutton. That segment was not fair and balanced. O'Reilly even asked Sutton about regulations regarding a "fleeing" suspect, can the agents shoot at them, he asked, then he answered his own question - and he let Sutton slide since Sutton DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. With anyone else, O'Reilly would not have let them off the hook, he'd have said, No Spin Zone here, Sutton. But O'Reilly had his own viewpoint and comments to back up from a previous segment.

O'Reilly even had Mancow on shortly after Sutton, and failed to ask Mancow anything about the conviction of Ramos and Compean and the statements of the U.S. Attorney, Johnny Sutton, who'd just preceded Mancow.

Surely, Mancow would have had an opinion on it.

Why wasn't Mancow his usual obnoxious self? What a disservice to The Factor viewers to have Mancow on the program and neglect to ask him about Sutton's comments.

That's ridiculous!

Not that Mancow was always right on the issues, and his style when he got his own program Planet Mancow on Fox got more outrageous than his usual Fox appearances, which many times had to be bleeped, but Mancow did not shirk from controversy with anybody, even a Bill O'Reilly. Yet, that's exactly what he did face-to-face with O'Reilly on Thursday's The Factor. Very odd. It was as if there was a pact - a code - of silence between them on the two border agents' conviction.

See our previous post O'Reilly Unbalanced

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2007/01/oreilly-unbalanced.html

Agent Ramos blogspot picks up the Bush pardon story, but carefully words its link:

Bush Allegedly Eyes Pardon for Border Patromen

http://agentramos.blogspot.com/

Bush eyes pardon for Border Patrolmen
1/18/2007, 6:48 p.m. CT By SUZANNE GAMBOA
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush on Thursday said a pardon was possible for two Border Patrol agents serving prison sentences for shooting a Mexican drug dealer as he fled and then covering up the crime...

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/politics-9/1169168045313870.xml&storylist=topstories

Daily Bulletin says it obtained a transcript, yet still portrays the same interpretation - spin - as KFOX-TV none using Bush's words in chronological order...

Bush will review border agents' court case
Action gives families hope that sentences will be reduced
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer


http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_5042815

For detailed background and accurate material to take immediate action visit:

http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/

http://agentramos.blogspot.com/

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CNN's Lou Dobbs programming just as unbelievable as Fox News network.

It is revealed in passing on Dobbs program

WIAN: The president spoke about the case for the first time this week with CNN El Paso affiliate KFOX. So KFOX is a CNN affiliate, interesting.

Notice how the report of the President's interview by CNN is all out of order as far as the chronology of what was actually said in the actual interview!

CNN's Wian even goes so far as to state:

WIAN: The president spoke about the case for the first time this week with CNN El Paso affiliate KFOX. While federal prosecutors have sought to portray the agents as rogue law enforcement officers, the president engaged in no such rhetoric.


Next, the CNN report has the right words and sentences spoken by Bush, but not in chronological order!

What a mess in my opinion.


GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Border Patrol or law enforcement have no stronger supporter than me. There are standards that need to be met in law enforcement, and according to a jury of their peers, these officers violated some standards.

I -- on this case, people need to take a hard look at the facts, at the evidence that the jury looked at, as well as a judge. And I'll -- that's -- I will do the same thing.

CNN
Lou Dobbs Tonight
Aired January 19, 2007 New Developments In Case Of Two Imprisoned Former U.S. Border Patrol Agents; New Indications That Border Fence Project Is Losing Support;

...
DOBBS: New developments tonight in the case of the two imprisoned former U.S. Border Patrol agents, Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos. And new indications that the border fence project is losing support both in Washington and in some towns near the border with Mexico.

Casey Wian tonight reports that President Bush says he'll take a hard look at the Ramos and Compean case -- a major development.

Bill Tucker reports on new concerns tonight being voiced about the building of that border fence.

But first, let's turn to Casey Wian in Los Angeles -- Casey.

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lou, family members of imprisoned former Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos say they've been in telephone contact with the White House, pleading for a presidential pardon. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

WIAN (voice-over): For the first time since former Texas Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean were convicted of shooting and wounding an illegal alien Mexican drug smuggler, their supporters are hopeful President Bush will intervene in a case many lawmakers of the president's own party say is an outrageous miscarriage of justice.

MARY STILLINGER, IGNACIO RAMOS' ATTORNEY: We were very excited to hear that the president will be looking into this case. I know he probably doesn't know the facts of the case right now. In our opinion, there's been a lot of misinformation issued by the U.S. Attorney's Office about this case, and we're looking forward to correcting it.

WIAN: The president spoke about the case for the first time this week with CNN El Paso affiliate KFOX. While federal prosecutors have sought to portray the agents as rogue law enforcement officers, the president engaged in no such rhetoric.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Border Patrol or law enforcement have no stronger supporter than me. There are standards that need to be met in law enforcement, and according to a jury of their peers, these officers violated some standards.

I -- on this case, people need to take a hard look at the facts, at the evidence that the jury looked at, as well as a judge. And I'll -- that's -- I will do the same thing.

WIAN: While he refused to rule out a pardon, the president did attempt to deflect the issue.

BUSH: Now, there's a process for pardons. I mean, it's -- and it's got to work its way through a system here in government. But I just want people to take a sober look at the reality.

WIAN: The reality is there's no requirement a pardon must go through that lengthy process.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SR. LEGAL ANALYST: President Bush is well within his rights if he wanted to pardon them tomorrow.

WIAN: Meanwhile, Ramos and Compean remain in protective custody. The U.S. Marshal Service says that's because they are former law enforcement officers.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WIAN: Family members, however, say they have already received death threats, and they are very worried about the former agents' safety. Federal prisons, of course, are loaded with drug traffickers and human smugglers, the very same people Ramos and Compean dedicated their career to stopping -- Lou.

DOBBS: Casey, as you talked with the family, are they more hopeful that this president actually meant what he said when he said he would take a hard look at it, along with the rest of us, as we examine it very carefully, and as -- and have examined it carefully over these many months?

WIAN: Absolutely. They are very encouraged that White House officials who they are talking to are taking their calls. They say they are going to be relaying the messages to the president.

At one point today, Agent Ramos' family thought they were even going to get a call from the president. That didn't happen, unfortunately. But they are a lot more optimistic than they were just two or three days ago -- Lou.

DOBBS: And have we received any indication that the White House has now responded to those 55 U.S. congressmen who have sent their entreaties to the White House requesting that this White House examine this case very carefully, as they have?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/19/ldt.01.html

Snow: Immigration laws not enforced Presidential spokesman admits problems are obvious

Excerpt

The reference to border agents obeying the law was to Snow's response several days ago, when Snow told WND that those lobbying for a presidential pardon or other intervention from the government on behalf of two former agents sentenced to prison should review the evidence.

"They (agents Jose Alonso Compean, 28, and Ignacio Ramos, 37) eventually went before a … jury – and were convicted on 11 of 12 counts, by a U.S. attorney who has prosecuted any number of cases. But the facts of this case are such that I would invite everybody to take a full look at the documented record," Snow said.

"This is not the case of the United States saying, we are not going to support people who go after drug dealers. Of course we are. We think it's incumbent to go after drug dealers, and we also think that it's vitally important to make sure that we provide border security so our people are secure," he continued.

In the past he's deflected questions about the president enforcing the laws that the U.S. already has to secure its borders and deport illegals who break the law to enter the United States.

Snow said the White House believes "that the people who are working to secure that border themselves obey the law. And in a court of law, these two agents were convicted on 11 of 12 counts by a jury of their peers after a lengthy trial at which they did have the opportunity to make their case," he said.

He said questions about the fact that the government brought the man back from Mexico and gave him immunity on charges – including a subsequent attempt to bring drugs into the United States – to testify against the agents would have to be answered by a lawyer.

Snow followed up after the press briefing by faxing 12 pages of comment about the case of the border guards, including the statement from U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, as well as a guest column he wrote for the El Paso Times in October.

"Agents Compean and Ramos were not railroaded by some over-zealous prosecutor, they were unanimously found guilty by a jury in a United States federal district court after a trial that lasted more than 2 ½ weeks," he wrote in the newspaper. "The problem for Mr. Compean and Mr. Ramos is that the jury did not believe their stories because they were not true."


"In America," he wrote, "law-enforcement officers do not get to shoot unarmed suspects who are running away, lie about it to their supervisors and file official reports that are false. That is a crime and prosecutors cannot look the other way."

Snow also faxed a six-page analysis of the case, with a list of unsigned myth-fact comparison statements...


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53802

Border agents' prosecutor responds to critics
U.S. attorney: 'I understand the public relations problem the case has caused'
Jerome Corsi January 19, 2007


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53837

AP: President Bush Would Consider Pardoning Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Drug Runner Friday, January 19, 2007

WASHINGTON — President George W. Bush left open the possibility of a pardon for two U.S. Border Patrol agents serving federal prison sentences for shooting a Mexican drug dealer as he fled and covering up the crime.

Bush said "there's a process for pardons" and the case has to work its way through the system. In an interview with KFOX-TV in El Paso, Texas, Bush said the White House will review the case, and he urged people to "take a sober look at the case."

"People need to take a tough look at the facts, the evidence a jury looked at, as well as the judge. And I will do the same thing," he said.

Several lawmakers have urged the president to pardon former Border Patrol agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos for the shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who retreated to Mexico after he was shot and later admitted he was transporting marijuana while in the U.S. illegally.

The agents began serving their sentences Wednesday — 11 years and one day for Ramos and 12 years for Compean. Both were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation.

Rancor over the convictions and sentencing of the agents has been simmering for months, and the two have become a cause celebre among conservatives and on talk shows. Their supporters have said they were defending themselves and have called them heroes. The agents' prosecution occurred as the issue of illegal immigration was being debated in Congress and amid campaigns for last November's midterm elections.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, introduced a bill Thursday calling for a congressional pardon of the agents. Congress has never issued pardons to anyone convicted of a crime, said Joe Kasper, Hunter's spokesman. But Kasper said Hunter believes there is enough ambiguity in the law on pardons to give it a try.

"Agents Compean and Ramos fulfilled their responsibilities as Border Patrol agents and rightfully pursued a suspected and fleeing drug smuggler. It is irresponsible to punish them with jail time," he said in a news release.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton took the unusual step of issuing a five-page document of the "myth vs. reality" of the case as the agents began serving their sentences.

The document covered everything from the claims that the former agents were just doing their jobs to reports that the shooting was at night when it actually happened about 1 p.m. on Feb. 17, 2005.

White House spokesman Tony Snow also seemed to support the agents' conviction, listing details of the case in a briefing with reporters Thursday. He said an officer hit Aldrete in the chest with a gun after he got out of his car and that "a lot of the allegations about a scuffle and discovering drugs at the scene and all that, they're simply not supported by the fact record of the case."

Texas Sen. John Cornyn said the Justice Department should have the chance to explain why the agents were prosecuted. Cornyn sent a letter to Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, asking for a hearing...


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244740,00.html

More

Lawmakers, Advocacy Groups Launch Last-Ditch Effort to Save Two Border Patrol Agents From Jail Wednesday, January 17, 2007 By Liza Porteus

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243921,00.html

Cornyn wants U.S. taxpayers to fund Mexican development
'North American Investment Fund' billed as answer to illegal alien influx

World Net Daily July 13, 2006

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51036

Sleazy Shock Jock Gets Fox Show By Cliff Kincaid December 26, 2006
NewsWithViews.com


http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff127.htm

http://newsbyus.com/archives.php?id=A2006121

http://www.covenantnews.com/blog/archives/2006_12.html

Fox news

http://search2.foxnews.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=my_frontend&proxystylesheet=my_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&site=fnc&filter=0&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1&q=Tony+Snow+border+patrol+agents

Special counsel sought for imprisoned border agents
Head of union wants probe of case against 'innocent men doing their job'
Posted: January 18, 2007 By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53823

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Sunday, January 21, 2007

State of Union Rally Poster Free Ramos and Compean

250,000 have already signed petitions to pardon ramos and compean...

Sunday Lou Dobb

Jeffrey Toobin: pardon office will only entertain pardon five years after sentence, but preisent Bush is well within his poer to pardon them.

Dobbs weekend programming

Three Congressman, Many Other Legal Experts Decry The Severe Sentencing Of Border Patrol Agents For Wounding A Mexican Drug Smuggler, China Tests Anti-Satellite Missile Aired January 20, 2007

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/20/ldtw.01.html

New Developments In Case Of Two Imprisoned Former U.S. Border Patrol Agents; New Indications That Border Fence Project Is Losing Support;

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/19/ldt.01.html

Ginkgo Biloba Memory Aid for George Bush
At the outset let me suggest a brand of Ginkgo Biloba be created especially for legislators, public elected officials, and presidents, you get the idea. The brand name could be along the lines of whatever the official promised, but has yet to deliver, if ever delivered.

There could be a string of names for promises of George W. Bush. The most recent promise is one concerning the families of border patrol agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

The men were convicted last March in federal court by a jury and sentenced to 11 and 12 years imprisonment.

The public, families, United States legislators numbering over fifty, net petition signers have clamored for a pardon of the men since their conviction. World Net Daily's Joseph Farah wrote a scathing article after Tony Snow appeared to publicly defend the Justice Department's prosecution of the border patrol agents and said law enforcement agents must obey the law, too.

January 17, 2007 "Presidents Must Obey Law Too"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53792

Rallies across the country and petition signing has galvanized hundreds of thousands of people.

Grassfire.org is working with key lawmakers calling on the President to pardon the agents. To date we have delivered more than 225,000 petitions to the White House and key government offices. In addition to signing our petitions below, we are urging team members to Fax personalized letters to key lawmakers in this debate.

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=11534548&NID=1

The day the men showed up to begin their sentences, Angry Republican congressman calls President Bush 'disgrace' Posted: January 17, 2007 By Art Moore

Remember, after you've taken your dose of Ginkgo Biloba, a couple of days ago - Friday - we posted the Myth of Border Agents Presidential Pardon?

We analyzed how the (El Paso, Texas-based) KFOX-TV headline for Thursday, January 18, 2007, Bush: Convicted Border Agents Could Be Pardoned was inaccurate?

We reviewed the actual videotape posted to KFOX-TV's site

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html.

We showed by the actual videotape nowhere in the piece does George Bush (GB) say he is considering a pardon for two border patrol agents.

Well now is a good time to take the GB if you haven't cause you'll need it to deal with the follow-up news highlights we posted about George Bush (GB) the following day, Saturday, in our piece, Congress Bill Seeks Amnesty for Border Agents.

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2007/01/congress-bill-seeks-amnesty-for-border.html

We deliberately didn't headline our piece about George Bush's reported proposed offer to call the families because frankly we can't find the original source. All we've found is the Carter piece, but that doesn't say how the staff writer obtained the information.

Bush to talk to border agents' families
Convicted border guards hoping for pardon in shooting
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 01/20/2007 12:00:00 AM PST

President Bush is expected to reach out to the families of two Texas Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler.

White House staff contacted former agent Ignacio Ramos' family early Friday, assuring them the president would call them soon, said Monica Ramos, the agent's wife...

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5051275

find story posted at http://agentramos.blogspot.com/

That's all we've found.

We'd love to hear directly from the Ramos family about exactly what they were told about a potential promised call to them by the President of the United States himself.

We will not forget.

Since we've taken our GB and our Omega-3 Fish Oil we are also thinking - why doesn't George Bush talk directly to the two convicted border patrol agents and directly get their side of their own story about what actually happened?

Site goes over in detail The Ramos-Compean Affair: What really happened. By Joe Loya

http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/

Why review a trail of court documentation that is thousands of pages long when you could spend about ten minutes with Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean and ask them a mere handful of questions about what they actually did.

For instance. Did the men pick up spent shells, or did they only partially pick up spent shells? Were the men required to pick up all spent shells or only a sampling of spent shells? Did the men pick up all the spent shell, or any of the shells to cover their actions?

The Justice Department's case seemed to revolve around those shells.

Read carefully the one-sided interview Corsi had with Johnny Sutton.

Meet man who prosecuted jailed Border Patrol agents
'Reasonable people can argue about punishment, whether [it] was too harsh'
Posted: January 20, 2007


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53856

We're also wondering whether all of this speculation about a pardon from President Bush at this time isn't just so President George W. Bush can have an uneventful presentation of his State of the Union Address scheduled for Tuesday.

Don't make any waves, supporters, before or during the President's State of the Union, or well, the President may not have any reason to review and pardon.

Friday, February 02, 2007

Misleading Bush Pardons of Border Agents continues

Bush never indicated he would pardon pardon border agents Ramos and Compean

See Net the Truth Online search for border agents...

Bush won't pardon agents immediately By DAVE MONTGOMERY
Star-Telegram Washington Bureau
Posted on Thu, Feb. 01, 2007

In an interview on the Fox television network Wednesday, Bush again said he is bound by strict federal guidelines on pardons and cannot immediately grant a pardon to the two agents.

Bush explained that "there is a series of steps that are analyzed in order for the Justice Department to make a recommendation as to whether or not a president grants a pardon."

And, Bush added, "We're not at that stage yet."...


http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/16595462.htm

'Your World' Exclusive: President George Bush
Thursday, February 01, 2007

This is a rush transcript from "Your World with Neil Cavuto," January 31, 2007, that may be update:

CAVUTO: Let me ask you, sir, about the ex-Border Patrol agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, both serving time in jail for shooting a runaway Mexican drug dealer.

Would you pardon them?

BUSH: You know, I get asked about pardons on a lot of different cases. And there's a procedure in place. And what I told members of Congress who have written me or called was to just look at the case, look at the facts in the case.

And people need to understand why these folks were sent to trial and why a jury of their peers convicted them. And that's, of course, what a president does on any pardon request.

CAVUTO: So, what are you saying?

BUSH: I'm saying, I would look at all the facts. And — but there is a process in any case for a president to make a pardon decision. In other words, there is a series of steps that are followed, so that the pardon process is, you know, a rational process.

CAVUTO: Well, they're in jail now. They're not going anywhere.

BUSH: Right. That's right.

CAVUTO: So...

BUSH: So...

(CROSSTALK)

CAVUTO: ... as things stand now, they will stay in jail.

BUSH: As things stand now, they will serve their sentence, right.

CAVUTO: Unless you interfere.

BUSH: Right. But what I'm trying to tell you is, is that it is — there is a series of steps that are analyzed in order for the Justice Department to make a recommendation as to whether or not a president grants a pardon.

CAVUTO: And we're not at that yet?

BUSH: No, we're not at that stage yet.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249439,00.html

Minutemanproject Petition to Pardon border patrol agents to no avail President Turns his back

with link to Lou Dobbs video Border Betrayal

http://www.minutemanproject.com/default.asp?contentID=99

Net the Truth Online

Tuesday, January 23, 2007
Confirmed: Presidential Pardon Border Agents a Myth
We exposed days ago in our piece Myth of Border Agents Presidential Pardon that President Bush never said during a KFOX TV interview Thursday, January 18, 2007 that he was considering a possible pardon for border patrol agents Ramos and Compean.

It was never even being considered by President Bush to pardon the agents a day after they reported to federal prison (Wednesday, January 17, 2007) to begin their 11 and 12 year prison sentences, nor at this time.

Had anyone in the news business bothered to view the actual KFOX-TV videotape of Alison Burns interview of President George Bush, this story would never had had any legs and worldwide hype.

We're still waiting to learn whether it's true the Ramos and Compean families were promised a phone call from President Bush...

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2007/01/confirmed-presidential-pardon-border.html

Wednesday, January 17, 2007

No pardons for officers of the law

Special counsel sought for imprisoned border agents
Head of union wants probe of case against 'innocent men doing their job'
Posted: January 18, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

The head of a union representing most Border Patrol agents is calling on President Bush and Congress to appoint a special counsel to investigate the case of agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, who began prison sentences yesterday for shooting a Mexican drug smuggler.

TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, which represents 60 percent of the nation's agents, called the convictions an outrage.

"This case involves two innocent men doing their job, trying to secure our borders," he told WND. "They were defending themselves against an armed drug smuggler, and yet they end up in prison. How is that possible?"

On Tuesday, federal Judge Kathleen Cardone of El Paso, Texas, denied Ramos' and Compean's contention they were not a flight risk and rejected their motion to stay out of prison on bond while they appeal their case to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans.

Bonner told WND the agents' imprisonment will have a detrimental effect on the willingness of Border Patrol agents to go out and enforce immigration laws.

"The Bush administration is sending a message to all law enforcement officers," Bonner told WND, "that it is to be 'hands off the border, leave it wide open, don't you dare do your jobs or you too will end up in federal prison.' "After this travesty of justice," he continued, "why would any Border Patrol agent stick their neck out trying to apprehend a Mexican drug smuggler, especially when you realize that you could be the one who ends up behind bars?"

The Bush administration continues to argue on background that Ramos and Compean lied to Border Patrol officials and covered up evidence, asserting the Mexican drug smuggler was not armed and had attempted to surrender peacefully.

Bonner disagrees, arguing there were "only three people who saw what happened on the other side of that levee – Agent Ramos, Agent Compean, and the Mexican drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila."

"The agents testified that the drug smuggler did not have his hands up, that he was running away, and that he pointed an object at them that they believed to be a gun. So, the agents opened fire," Bonner said. "Essentially, what the White House is saying is that they believe the word of a drug smuggler over the word of two sworn federal agents."

The Bush administration further charges Ramos and Compean failed to file a report that was required after their weapons had been discharged.

Bonner argues that under Border Patrol policy, Ramos and Compean were required to make an oral report, not a written report.

"The agents did fail to make an oral report, but under Border Patrol policy, that failure merits at most a five-day suspension. It is not a crime, it is an administrative violation."

Bonner said a lot of Americans are wondering why the Bush administration seems to be making an effort to represent the case the way the drug smuggler wants it seen.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53823

They don't throw this many charges at guys they've caught with over 2,000 pounds of marijuana," Ramos said. "There's murderers and child rapists that are looking at less time than me.

Ramos, 37, and Compean, 28, are set to be sentenced Aug. 22 for shooting Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a Mexican citizen, on Feb. 17, 2005, in the small Texas town of Fabens, about 40 miles south east of El Paso.

A Texas jury convicted the pair of assault with serious bodily injury; assault with a deadly weapon; discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence; and a civil rights violation. Compean and Ramos also were convicted of four counts and two counts, respectively, of obstruction of justice for not reporting that their weapons had been fired.

The jury acquitted both men of assault with intent to commit murder.

But the conviction for discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence requires a minimum 10-year prison sentence. The sentences for the other convictions vary.

On July 25, the El Paso U.S. Probation Office recommended to Judge Kathleen Cardone that each man get 20 years.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4141562

This is worse than unjust. What is up with president Bush? He pardons drug dealers during Christmas, but won't pardon the two federal border agents. Maybe if they had Euro-american sounding names, they would've been pardoned.

Provides links to info about Bush pardons of drug dealers...

http://www.nbpc.net/

Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean - America shames itself by your prosecutions.

Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos Jose Compean

http://agentramos.blogspot.com/

http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/

Tom Tangredo was guest on O'Reilly Factor this evening.

http://tancredo.house.gov/irc/WYB.2006.06.22.html

O'Reilly didn't have a clue - he kept saying the two agents broke the law - they hid the facts, covered-up. He said he thought they'd be pardoned, eventually, but they needed to be made an example so we don't have more border patrol agents "breaking the law."

Right O'Reilly, let's make an example of them for an administrative mistake, but let the illegal aliens free reign.

O'Reilly spent a portion of the segment on the border agents, then moved on to Tancredo's presidential bid. He said, you won't win... you make too much sense.

That was extremely odd, wasn't it?

O'Reilly must have read this: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/border-agents.htm

Devvy Kidd viewpoint

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd206.htm

Why is it Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are held to a higher standard than Bush. This is what is puzzling.

We have yet to learn what President Bush knew about potential threats to U.S. before September 11, 2001. Was there a cover-up? Bush didn't even testify to the 9/11 Commission under oath or in public hearing. Was there a cover-up? We have yet to have any decent questions answered about when precisely Bush knew that a plane or more than one plane may have been hijacked that morning. Was there a cover-up?

We'll never know, because President Bush escapes accountability by the 9/11 Commission hearings, and there have been no Congressional hearings wherein President Bush has been required to testify under oath.

The inaction of Bush to pardon these two men is the downfall of Bush. It is all down hill from this point forward. Whereas many political conservatives supported Bush on the war on terror, they are leaving his camp in droves on this border security issue. They will leave quicker after Bush's failure to pardon law enforcement agents who faced death day in and day out.

We need our Congressional reps to do more than they are doing. Obviously, letters to President Bush and AG are not enough.

Dana Rohrabacher

http://rohrabacher.house.gov/news/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=50972

Phyllis Schlafly

...
How did the prosecution go from an administrative violation for failing to report a firearm discharge, with the penalty of perhaps a 5-day suspension, to prosecution for intent to commit murder?

After the trial, two jurors gave sworn statements that they had been pressured to render a guilty verdict and did not understand that a hung jury was possible.

A major argument used by the prosecution during the trial was that our government has a policy forbidding agents from chasing suspected drug smugglers without first getting permission from supervisors. That sounds like a no-arrest policy; by the time an agent gets permission, a smuggler can be out of sight and safely back over the border.

There were a couple of factual discrepancies between the smuggler's story and the agents' testimony, but the government chose to believe the immunity-motivated repeat drug smuggler rather than Border Patrol agents with clean records. Ramos was nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the year in 2005, and Compean served honorably in the U.S. Navy before joining the Border Patrol.

The Bush Administration tidied up Aldrete's wound at a U.S. hospital at our expense and opened the way for him to sue the U.S. government for $5 million for violating his civil rights, which he is now doing.

This case exposes the misplaced priorities of the Bush Administration. The case also reminds us that our Border Patrol agents are in daily danger from hardened criminals.

The Department of Homeland Security issued this Officer Safety Alert on December 21, 2005: "Unidentified Mexican alien smugglers . . . have agreed that the best way to deal with U.S. Border Patrol agents is to hire a group of contract killers." The alert cautions that, to perform the killings, the smugglers intend to use the Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) street gang, known for its unspeakable atrocities and torture.

T.J. Bonner, national Border Patrol Council. said: "There is a palpable sense of outrage and betrayal. Here, you have five convicted drug dealers being pardoned, and two border patrol agents, who were doing their job, fighting the war on drugs on the front lines, and they're going to prison."...


http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2007/jan07/07-01-03.html

January 14, 2007 at 13:23:58

An Open Letter to All Border Patrol Agents by Doc Farmer

Dear Border Patrol Agents, Officers, and Employees,


excerpt

There have been many calls for the president to provide a pardon for these two gentlemen. Fifty-one congressmen signed a letter asking the president to intervene on their behalf. Well, George W. Bush did issue some pardons a short while back. However, he was apparently too busy pardoning convicted drug dealers to get around to pardoning two men who were wrongly prosecuted and persecuted for trying to stop a drug trafficker who was illegally in our country.

Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are scheduled to report to prison on January 17, 2006. Illegal Alien and Drug Smuggler Osbaldo Aldrete-Davilla is laughing all the way to the bank.

If this isn't a perversion of justice, I don't know what is.

There are nearly 30,000 border patrol agents, officers and employees currently out there, doing a very necessary but very hard job.

Now I, as an American, am going to ask you to do something very, very hard.

I'm asking all of you, on January 17, 2006, to quit your jobs.


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=173146

2 Border Patrol Agents to Turn Themselves in Today for Shooting Mexican Drug Runner
Wednesday, January 17, 2007 By Liza Porteus


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244193,00.html

Border agents sent to prison
Angry Republican congressman calls President Bush 'disgrace'


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53805

Pardon Border Agents, Mr. President By Mike Blair
Fifty-one members of Congress on Dec. 11 sent a letter to President Bush
asking that he commute the sentences of or pardon two U.S. Border Patrol officers sentenced to a combined 20 years for shooting a fleeing illegal alien drug trafficker they had caught smuggling 80 pounds of marijuana and 20 pounds of cocaine across the border from Mexico.

Presidential press secretary Tony Snow has called the pardon issue “nonsensical.” But the appeal to the president, headed by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), urges Bush to issue “Christmas pardons.”

Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean encountered Osbaldo Aldrete-Davilla on Feb. 17, 2005, in a van containing drugs near a levee road along the Rio Grande River, near the Texas town of Febens...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/pardon_border_agents.html

Border Agents Plead for 'Christmas Pardon.'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759777/posts

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush issued 16 pardons Thursday and commuted the sentence of an Iowa man convicted of drug charges.

Six of the federal offenses were drug crimes, while others included bank fraud, mail fraud, the acceptance of a kickback, a false statement on a loan application and conspiracy to defraud the government over taxes.

Seven of the 16 received no prison or jail time, instead getting probation or a reduction in their military pensions.

The longest sentence was nine years, for aiding cocaine distribution, followed by a six-year term for conspiracy to possess marijuana.

With this batch, Bush has issued 113 pardons and commuted three sentences in his nearly six years in the White House, according to spokesman Tony Fratto.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/21/bush.pardons.ap/index.html

More

http://freedomfolks.blogspot.com/2006/12/remember-ramos-and-compean.html

http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/compeaniv1be.html

Tuesday, January 23, 2007

Confirmed: Presidential Pardon Border Agents a Myth

We exposed days ago in our piece Myth of Border Agents Presidential Pardon that President Bush never said during a KFOX TV interview Thursday, January 18, 2007 that he was considering a possible pardon for border patrol agents Ramos and Compean.

It was never even being considered by President Bush to pardon the agents a day after they reported to federal prison (Wednesday, January 17, 2007) to begin their 11 and 12 year prison sentences, nor at this time.

Had anyone in the news business bothered to view the actual KFOX-TV videotape of Alison Burns interview of President George Bush, this story would never had had any legs and worldwide hype.

We're still waiting to learn whether it's true the Ramos and Compean families were promised a phone call from President Bush

Bush to talk to border agents' families
Convicted border guards hoping for pardon in shooting
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 01/20/2007 12:00:00 AM PST


http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5051275

Or was that a reporter's interpretation of Bush breaking away saying he had to make a phone call!

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2007/01/myth-of-border-agents-presidential.html

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/search?q=myth+border+agents+pardon

Notice the wording in the Jerome Corsi piece

My goodness, of course the White House talking points continue to stress themes articulated by prosecuting U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton in El Paso
because the White House is supporting the Justice Department's conviction of Ramos and Compean. President Bush never claimed otherwise during the KFOX-TV interview.

Find the interview videotape on the KFOX-TV site and observe what Burns asks and how President Bush responds.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

Republican revolt builds over border agents
House resolution calls for tossing Ramos, Compean convictions
Posted: January 23, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


At least 70 Republican Congress members are co-sponsoring a House resolution ordering that the convictions and sentences of Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean be vacated and that they be released from custody immediately.
Even after suggestions last week that President Bush plans to review the Ramos and Compean case, the White House has continued reaching out for support to several prominent conservatives who, so far, are rebuffing administration requests to back the Justice Department on this case.

The resolution, H.R. 563, is being introduced by Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., a candidate for the GOP presidential nomination.

Despite public suggestions to the contrary, the White House on background has continued indicating to prominent national conservative leaders that their heels are dug in on this case, denying at this point any plan to pardon the agents. Some critics contend the Bush administration's open border policy is behind its unwillingness to defend Ramos and Compean.

White House talking points continue to stress themes articulated by prosecuting U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton in El Paso, who in an exclusive interview last week with WND claimed the two agents "shot 15 times at an unarmed, fleeing man," after which the agents "decided to lie about it, cover it up, destroy the evidence, pick up all the shell casings and throw them away where we couldn't find them, destroy the crime scene and then file a false report."

In a series of briefings with conservative leaders prior to the State of the Union message scheduled for this evening, the White House indicated that while the issue of immigration will be mentioned, it will not be a major theme. The president is expected to repeat his support of a "comprehensive immigration reform" plan that would include a guest worker program, prefacing re-introduction of legislation similar to the bill co-sponsored in the previous Congress by Sens. Edward Kennedy D-Mass., and John McCain R-Ariz.

While the speech is expected to sound the theme of border security, the president is not expected to give a commitment that the administration will press Congress to appropriate all the funds needed to build the full 770-mile double-layered fence Congress approved in a Sept. 29 vote just prior to the mid-term elections. Instead, the president is expected to emphasis electronic means to secure a virtual border and what the White House believes has been recent success slowing the number of "OTMs," or "Other Than Mexicans," who illegally cross the southern border.

President Bush has no plans to mention the Ramos and Compean case in the State of the Union speech...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53893

Border Patrol Agent Solitary Ignored by President

To date, to our knowledge, the families of Ramos and Compean, the two border agents prosecuted by U.S. Attorney, Johnny Sutton and convicted by a Texas jury, have not received a promised phone call from President George W. Bush.

We've said we were going to watch when the call happened. It has not, and certainly not before the big speech President Bush will make tonight.

What's he going to talk about tonight? Energy, health care. Iraq.

Meanwhile, there is war on the border of the United States - the border with Mexico.

Over 250,000 petitions have been signed requesting a pardon. Nada. Now, we find...

Border Patrol agent held in solitary confinement
'They act like he's Charles Manson,' father-in-law tells WND
Imprisoned former Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos not only is being held in prison for trying to halt a fleeing drug smuggler, he's being held in solitary confinement treated as if he were Charles Manson, a relative told WND in an exclusive interview.

Joe Loya, Ramos' father-in-law, told WND that Ramos is being held in conditions usually reserved for extraordinarily dangerous or trouble-making inmates.

"They have Ignacio in a 6 foot by 12 foot cell," Loya told WND in a telephone interview from El Paso. "There are no bars, just a steel door, and no window. He has no television and nothing to do. He is fed in his cell and let out only for one hour after 23 hours in the cell. He is then taken to a room with a television where he is allowed to watch the TV for an hour before he is returned to solitary confinement."

Loya told WND that the family believes that the federal prosecutor, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, introduced into the trial inaccurate or incomplete testimony provided by the drug dealer, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, as well as from other Border Patrol agents who the federal prosecutors had pressured prior to the trial.

"I can't believe how Ignacio is being treated," Loya told WND. "He has been a federal agent for years and he has been involved in many drug busts. I am convinced that the U.S. attorney has a grudge against my son-in-law and I cannot believe how mean and determined Johnny Sutton has been to see my son imprisoned for doing nothing more than trying to stop a drug smuggler he and Jose Compean believed was armed and dangerous."

Loya explained to WND that Aldrete-Davila had beaten and cut Compean in the struggle that occurred in the ditch as Aldrete-Davila was trying to escape.

"The prosecutors say that Compean was going to beat Aldrete-Davila with his shotgun. How could that be? Aldrete-Davila is over six feet tall and Compean is about five feet five inches. Compean would have been afraid that Aldrete-Davila would have taken the shotgun from him and beat him or shot him with it. The story at the trial that the prosecutors offered the jury didn’t make any sense."

Loya told WND that he had sat through the entire trial. A complete transcript of the trial is not yet available and Loya told WND that the U.S. attorney's office told him that the trial transcript would cost $3 per page. "At over 3,000 pages, that means we have to come up with $9,000 just to get a copy of the transcript. And besides, it isn't available yet and the prosecutors' office can’t tell us when it will be available."




Meanwhile, Fox 'n Friends discussing how Rep. Sinema wants patrolling with a weopon to be a crime, carry 18 months in prison and proposes legislation to twart attempts by Minutemen to protect the U.S. borders. White guys wearing camos carrying weapons is how she describes the Minutemen, says Chris Simcox of the Minuteman Project

The President had the responsibility to protect that border by putting 44,000 National Guard along the border and building the wall.

http//www.foxnfriends.com

One of the topics we've been monitory here at Net the Truth Online will be discussed on http//www.foxnfriends.com

The status of a lawsuit against Hazleton, Pennsylvania

Monday, January 19, 2009

Sentences Commuted by Bush: Border Agents Ramos & Compean

Will wonders never cease.

Via Drudge Report link

In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.
Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005.

Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.

Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.

The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.

Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95QC5OO0&show_article=1

Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Bush the Pardoner Ignores Border Patrol Agents WND Ignores Bush Neglect

And so on and so forth, unfortunately so.

Update World Net Daily article doesn't address Chicago Tribune article Obama birth certificate rumor debunked
By James Janega | Tribune reporter October 30, 2008
or the statements by law professor Eugene Volokh quoted in the article, still...

Orders from new president to spark lawsuit every time
Lawyer lining up plaintiff groups until citizenship dispute addressed
Posted: November 25, 2008 By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82033


Original Post November 25, 2008 Net the Truth Online

Meanwhile, the ultra-conservative (not meant as a perjorative since most of that nature accurately call our nation a Constitutional Republic) net magazine World Net Daily is so obsessed with Barack Obama's birth certificate they've neglected Bush's neglect to pardon border patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, so far to date.

Bush pardons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush


Increasing pardons from George W. Bush, without any attention to the obscene and unconscionable plight of Ramos and Compean.

Lou Dobbs and Joseph Farah's World Net Daily have been at the forefront of reporting on the selective federal prosecution, jury conviction (based on lies and withholding of exculpatory evidence), and controversial imprisonment of the two border patrol agents and how that transpired. Coverage has been of the highest caliber from those quarters.

CNN Lou Dobbs Video & Transcript: Ramos & Compean Pardon
Lou Dobbs Tonight ^ | November 18, 2008 | Staff

Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:38:48 AM by flattorney

Lou Dobbs Tonight Transcript
- Kitty Pilgrim, Guest Anchor
11th Hour Pardons - Ramos & Compean
Aired Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Are former border patrol agents Ramos and Compean closer to a presidential pardon? We'll have a special report PILGRIM: President Bush has issued only 157 pardons and commuted six prison sentences during his time in office. And the president still has 63 days left to consider remaining clemency requests and two of those requests are from Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. In a gross miscarriage of justice the two former border patrol agents were convicted of shooting and wounding an illegal alien drug dealer they were pursuing. And now they are serving lengthy prison terms. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have called for Ramos and Compean to be released from prison, but so far the White House has not been listening.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2134659/posts


Wed July 18, 2007 Dobbs: Time to free Ramos and Compean

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/17/Dobbs.July18/index.html


August 2008 Bush: Go with integrity,pardon our border agents
Exclusive: Doug Powers calls on presidentto prove justice trumps political friendship

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71428

Archives search

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.search&keywords=+ramos+compean+border+patrol&authorId=&search_WND.x=15&search_WND.y=6


While WND recently published No mercy for jailed Border Patrol agent there's no follow-up noting recent Bush pardons exclude the two men who face up to 10 years and 12 years in prison.

WND's nearly salivating like a dog seeing raw (red-state) meat over President-Elect Barack Obama's birth and proof of citizenship to qualify for the Presidency with a half-dozen articles today on the controversy over Obama's production of a copy of what is now being called by theorists a certificate of live birth (COLB) rather than an original birth certificate.

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Embassy: Obama not born in Kenya
Office claims ambassador was speaking about president-elect's father in radio interview --WND

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=82031

Proofin' the prez: Who's in charge?
Constitutional lawyer says electors have duty to investigate citizenship --WND

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81944

FAITH2ACTION
Rathergate II: Certification of Live Birth a clear forgery
Exclusive: Janet Porter seeks readers' help in forcing congressional hearings on issue --WND

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81943

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Petitioners tell prez-elect: Prove eligibility for office
Thousands sign online demand, reveal frustration over secrecy --WND

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Sign petition to see Barack Obama's birth certificate
Online effort launched by WND to help answer presidential eligibility question --WND

WND AT THE WHITE HOUSE
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Prez passes on Obama's eligibility
'I don't think I have anything to say on that,' says spokesman --WND

BETWEEN THE LINES
Insufficient public interest?
Exclusive: Joseph Farah proves citizens are concerned over Obama's eligibility to serve --WND

WND ON THE AIR
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birthplace heats up Liddy show
Farah fills in on syndicated program for 3 days --WND

WND FORUMS
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Is he or isn't he? The debate over Obama's eligibility
New feature focuses on birth certificate, the U.S. Constitution and doubts --WND

WorldNetDaily
Supremes to review citizenship arguments
Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices --WND

Blogger's Obama-certificate lawsuit dismissed
Hawaii Circuit Court judge says Net author has no standing to get birth document
--Honolulu Advertiser

The great birth certificate scandal/cover-up
Journalist examines claims that Obama not eligible for presidency --Tulsa Today

http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1799&Itemid=2

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Petitioners tell prez-elect: Prove eligibility for office
Thousands sign online demand, reveal frustration over secrecy --WND

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81698
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/


Previous focus by WND on Obama birth

Is he or isn't he? The debate over Obama's eligibility
New feature focuses on birth certificate, the U.S. Constitution and doubts
Posted: November 20, 2008
2:44 pm Eastern © 2008 WorldNetDaily

The "eligible" President-elect Obama

Is he or isn’t he? That's the focus of a new WND forum that offers readers an opportunity to express their opinion on whether Barack Obama is eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution.

There have been dozens of questions – and about that many legal cases – so far over the campaign's failure to document his status as a "natural-born" U.S. citizen, a status that is required by the constitution to hold the highest office.

WND has reported on at least one of those legal challenges to Obama's name being on the 2008 presidential ballot reaching the U.S. Supreme Court, with a "conference" on the dispute scheduled on Dec. 5...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81547


Well someone else has caught on to WND's extravaganza...

Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Christianists Ramp Up Obama Birth Certificate Attacks

The right-wing just won't let go of their "Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen" bit of nonsense. Today the Christiantist site World Net Daily is asking their readers to FedEx letters to the Supreme Court demanding they hold a hearing on the subject. They also want letters sent to Republican members of Congress saying, "Please hold congressional hearings to investigate whether Barack Obama meets the basic constitutional requirements for the highest office of the land."

They are also demanding that the members of the Electoral College prove Obama's citizenship before their December 15th vote that will officially make him president...

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/11/christianists-ramps-up-obama-birth.html


But not in the same way we have...

We are supportive of finding truth, no matter what the truth reveals or who the truth hurts.

Isn't the Obama birth certificate and birthplace issue basically settled in light of former Congressional action adequately explained in an October Chicago Tribune article:

Obama birth certificate rumor debunked James Janega Tribune reporter October 30, 2008

From the article:

Conservative critics have suggested that Obama may have been born outside the U.S. and is not a "natural born citizen" eligible for the presidency. But they present no evidence that he was born anywhere other than Hawaii...

...The issue of whether Obama is a "natural born citizen"—a citizen at birth—was raised in a June 10 article on the conservative Web site World Net Daily.

Article II of the U.S. Constitution says, "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States ... shall be eligible to the Office of President." Acts of Congress in 1790 and 1795 clarify that "the children of citizens of the United States ... shall be considered as natural born citizens."

Republican candidate John McCain faced, and overcame, similar questions because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone while his Navy father was stationed there.

Hawaii was a state in 1961, when Obama was born. Any person born in the U.S. automatically is a "natural born citizen," said University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh.

Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said. Stanley Ann Dunham would have counted even if Obama's Kenyan father did not.

If this becomes an issue in a post-election eligibility challenge, expect a likely sticking point to be the legal definition in 1961 of how parents could be called U.S. citizens for this purpose, Volokh said. At the time Obama was born, the law stated that a person would be considered a "natural born citizen" if either parent was a citizen who had lived at least 10 years in the U.S., including five years after the age of 14—in other words, 19.

Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified even if Obama was born in another country, Volokh said. Congress made the law retroactive to 1952, doubly covering Obama.

Any legal challenge would have to argue that Congress can't make someone retroactively a citizen at birth, and prove Obama was born outside of the U.S. after all...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-birth-certificate-30-oct30,0,1742172.story


In our earlier piece, Tuesday, November 18, 2008 World Net Daily: Wants Obama Birth Certificate Ploy we criticize WND for not reviewing the Chicago Tribune article which outlines several arguments that should settle the Obama ineligibility to be President question.

Today, finding WND's founder citing the status of his petition drive (for release of Obama's birth certificate) as proof United States (American) citizens are hot on the issue of Barack Obama's 'natural-born' citizenship led us to revisit the issue as we are compelled to do, obsessively so, we're warning.

Farah unveiled particulars of the petition effort:

Obama's state secret: His birth certificate!
Posted: November 21, 2008

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81581


Here's Obama's reproduction of the document under scrutiny published at his Fight the Smears site

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate



WND's coverage of this issue has been lacking in providing information easily obtained from even a quick review of Chicago Tribune article Obama birth certificate rumor debunked.

In fact, the Chicago Tribune article notes WND upfront.

The issue of whether Obama is a "natural born citizen"—a citizen at birth—was raised in a June 10 article on the conservative Web site World Net Daily.


Why Farah's and WND's silence on the material presented in the article from the statements of expert law professor at the University of California Los Angeles?

More on Eugene Volokh later.

Sites such as factcheck.org (though we have had our disagreements with them), and politifact.com, have investigated the certificate, reviewed the reproduction of the Obama certificate found on Obama's Fight the Smears campaign site, and come to conclusions the certificate is proof-enough of Obama's Honolulu birth.

As explained in the Chicago Tribune article, Congress enacted a law which applied to births occurring outside the U.S. but involving one biological parent who is a U.S. citizen. The law applies retroactively, back to 1952. Obama was born in 1961.

Farah unfortunately is appearing like an obsessive compulsive. Not that we are bothered by that, as we've similarly embraced such on many issues, especially election-related matters. And there were the matters of Larry Johnson's critique of Peter Lance's statement he exclusively discovered... and Daniellyn's birth... was she or was she not a United States citizen having been born in...

Joseph Farah highlighted results from his petition drive to justify a public interest in the Obama eligibility question. In his article, Farah claims:

But it is that other excuse for not releasing the document that really has me bugged – "insufficient evidence to indicate that the public interest supports" the release.

Let me point you to Exhibit A in the evidence-of-public-interest department: It is a petition I launched Friday to all controlling legal authorities – Congress, Supreme Court, Federal Elections Commission, Electoral College, etc. – urging scrutiny of the original birth certificate and release of facsimile to the public.

Within 24 hours, 24,000 people had signed up.

Within 48 hours, 48,000 people had signed up.

Do you see a pattern here?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81865


Don't get us wrong, we are all for truth and following the letter of the U.S. Constitution. First off, what comes to mind immediately, who can trust web-generated petitioning because those can be jimmied. Everybody knows this, and surely Farah must realize savvy poll-takers can vote not only once or twice but thousands of times.

Isn't it odd that petition signers exactly doubled in amount over a 2 day period as Farah indicates? give or take a few depending on later real-time results?

Farah continues

"Barack Obama may have won the presidential election, but is he eligible to serve? That's a question on the minds of millions of Americans eager to see his birth certificate and find out for sure if he was born in the U.S., as he claims," states the forum introduction.

"At least two of his relatives in Kenya claim to have been present at his birth in Mombasa, Kenya. In addition, the Obama machine has scoffed at requests to see the form of the Hawaiian birth certificate that includes the specific hospital in which the delivery took place. The form released by the campaign does not include that information, leading to suspicions Obama might have been one of the foreign-born babies of the 1960s who were, nonetheless, provided birth certificates by the state of Hawaii. Now it's time for you to sound off on this controversy."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81547


Is he eligible to serve? WND and Farah ignore the Congressional action noted in the Chicago Tribune article which is puzzling to say the least.

Consider, how many voters actually voted for Barack Obama over John McCain? And how many voters voted for Obama in total?

50,000 or 100,000 or 1 million petition signers are not an indication there's an overwhelming interest in Obama producing the physical original birth certificate, and still there's the matter of the former Congressional action which would certainly appear to make the eligibility issue moot.

Yet there is the nagging thought of the potential Obama became aware of some conspiracy (at some point during pursuit of his political career presumably) to hide a birth which occurred outside the country (necessitating a coverup by his mother and biological father, family members, and numerous government officials) would of course matter to sticklers for the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

so while we maintain Farah is evidencing he's compulsively obsessed with having Barack Obama prove the where and when and who of his birth, what would it hurt to have a look-see at Obama's actual Hawaiian-issued birth certificate?

Just open up the door to the courthouse vault (or storage facility) and have international and U.S. news crews follow Barack Obama, his attorneys, and private document security officials into the light and show us all the certificate in real-time on the internet.

this would be fascinating, and should settle the question, unless, yes there is an unless, Farah and Jerome Corsi and Porter and Alan Keyes and Philip Berg, and Andy Martin and/or representatives of any and all interested parties (could grow into the millions after books are published) would want to actually touch and handle the birth certificate and test it for authenticity.

Wouldn't that be the logical next demand?

We want to actually hold the certificate in our hands, and while we're at it let's have our own testing done to determine its validity.

How far are some inquisitive people willing to go? Or maybe how far gone are they?

We still cringe that no investigative journalist to this day has asked President George W. Bush why on the morning of September 11, 2001 he remained seated in a second-grade classroom for some (exactly we found) 6-minutes longer after being told within minutes of the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center a second plane had crashed into the World Trade Center towers and "America is under attack."

See our site This is Not A Conspiracy Theory

This Is Not A Conspiracy Theory Bush Remains in Second Grade Classroom

http://dirtline.tripod.com/talkacrosstown/id11.html


Back then in late 2001 we had a newly-elected President who was told by Andrew Card, his chief of staff, "America is under attack" and the President doesn't stop listening to the little children practicing reading to attempt to determine what is the extent of the 'attack?'

Not even Joseph Farah has asked for that particular truth over 8-years of Bush's presidency. Why the lack of curiosity? We can't help but get our dander up over this matter as that obsessive-compulsive search for truth no matter who the truth hurts inevitably takes over.

Yet Farah and Corsi and others are so concerned that the majority of the people of these United States in the election process we have traditionally followed - majority state winner gets all the Electoral Ccollege delegates from the state - elected an individual whose birth may have occurred elsewhere, something Obama would have had no control over at any rate anyway, and which would in the end still not preclude Obama from becoming the 'elected' President because of the former Congressional action all of which the Chicago Tribune article, Obama birth certificate rumor debunked explains.

Explains in large part via Eugene Volokh (who we'll get to in a bit).

Not only that, but the Founding Framers of the Constitution did an everlasting and irretrievable disservice to this country by enabling slavery to continue in this nation long past the ratification of the Constitution in 1789. In this 21st Century year 2008 by majority vote a free nation's people of all ethnicities elected the nation's first African-American to the Presidency, knowing full well of all of Obama's heritage even the made up parts which has been investigated unlike few others.

We'll say this, if any other but Barack Obama with his lawyer/s present touch the original documentation of his birth, we will not believe that document has not been tampered with in some way.

In fact, who could trust such has not already happened in this day and age all it takes is a large amount of money to be quietly and secretly tranferred into a numbered foreign bank account and voila, what turns up is a fake really fake birth certificate. Maybe one that looks like it's a blanked copy of a template, even.

There's just too much motive for somebody to now at this time to substitute another fakery for the original Barack Hussein Obama II birth certificate. Isn't there? Maybe it's already been done, just in case the "powers that be" decide Obama has to be let go before he takes the oath of office.

OK we're catching the WND fever. (It's exhilarating)

Farah says:

Do you believe the American people have a right to know for certain their next president is constitutionally eligible for the job?

Without a chance to inspect that birth certificate for themselves, do you think we can ever be certain?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81581


Hasn't the Chicago Tribune article Obama birth certificate rumor debunked James Janega Tribune reporter October 30, 2008
addressed Farah's and company's contentions Obama is 'ineligible' from several different angles and aspects?

The article after all cites University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh's expert opinions.

WND has ignored the expert when the law professor's statements and analysis have circulated for nearly a month now.

Search results note USA Today...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=University+California+Los+Angeles+law+professor+Eugene+Volokh+obama+birth&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=


We're still leaning it would be interesting to see Obama hold up his actual birth certificate in real time and broadcast on You-Tube, with that huge smile of his gleaming (though he doesn't have the insider hand-signal down pat yet), but as we've conjectured, that will not be enough for the promotors of the idea the certificate is a fake to begin with. And what will be enough, holding the original, submitting it to forensic science investigation?

The entire episode is appearing more and more like the obsession with the birth of Anna Nicole Smith's daughter (Danielyn or Dannylynn) - was she or was she not a citizen of the United States having been born in another country... and no matter of which biological father of a mother (deceased shortly after the birth) who was a United States citizen?

The answer to that question should have indicated the answer to the question of Obama's eligibility to be a candidate for any high office of these United States and 'elected' President by the people (and compliance of Electoral College delegates to that outcome).

though the WND Forum comments are as interesting as reading what the Framers of the Constitution actually said about, well everything...

Uh actually, the WND/Farah petition Obama name is in error - it's Barack Hussein Obama II.

PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE

To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550


The (birth certificate) image posted initially at Daily Kos and discussed as potentially fabricated, elsewhere.

Daily Kos

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg


Updated at 5:15 p.m., Friday, October 31, 2008

Hawaii officials declare Obama birth certificate genuine
State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/BREAKING01/81031064/0/BREAKING04


Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

snopes link

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg


Very interesting take on the certificate, unexpectedly so...

issue covered at conservapedia

http://conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama#cite_note-180


Factcheck.org goes the distance and reveals certificate of birth number and produces birth announcement published in Honolulu newspaper though the theorists would suppose the hospital from which the birth was announced could've been in on the cover-up from the beginning.

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate

...The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641...

...In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


On the other side which we drift back to just cause we are obsessive compulsive...

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of palpably fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears...

... ON THE UNBEARABLE EASE OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY

None of this is not to imply that McKinnon himself forged the Obama document, with all the fields filled in with information about the presidential candidate but lacking the visible stamp and signature that alone would make it an authentic document. Nor is their proof positive about how the almost-blank "Oahu 7:24pm" document is related to the one endorsed by the Obama campaign that features those exact details.

The presence on the Daily Kos blog of the admittedly forged almost-blank templates of the document, and the admission of forgery by opendna in that same blog entry, should cause the Obama campaign to reassess its reliance on the image of the birth certificate published by the Daily Kos.

If the website is the home for a self-admitted federally-trained document specialist, with examples of forgery posted concurrently with the image they claim as authentic, is that a venue appropriate for a presidential candidate to showcase the only available high resolution purported image of his vital records? If the birth certificate endorsed by his campaign turns out to be a fraud -- and the overwhelming evidence assembled points to it being precisely that -- what would that say about the credentials and judgment of the presidential candidate it purports to represent? Let alone his Constitutional eligibility to serve.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg


Could the Obama birth certificate posted at Daily Kos be a fake? Posted by Eye Doc On June - 21 - 2008

...naomiekeys Said,
It appears you can download a blank Hawaiian birth certificate template and fill it in. If you look at the blank form on photo bucket (Blank except Hour of Birth 7:24 and OAJU):

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/HI_birthcert.jpg?t=1213561049

Isn’t it a coincidence that Obama was born at 7:24 pm the same time on the blank form?
Posted on June 22nd, 2008 at 2:12 pm

http://blogwonks.com/2008/06/21/could-the-obama-birth-certificate-posted-at-daily-kos-be-a-fake/


On the other hand again and don't say we didn't warn of our obsessive-compulsiveness...

Anchan64 Said,

Here’s a list of some more ridiculous things that the anti-Obama people made up and started whining about…

“He traveled to Pakistan when there was a Ban on US travel”… NO.. the only travel bans at that time were to North Korea, Libya and Cuba… If you look up travel ban to Pakistan on Google, I guarantee you you won’t find anything… it never existed. Look up travel bans to the places I mentioned, you find them because they did exist.

His mother wasn’t old enough to pass her citizenship to her son … NO, the 14 th amendment clearly says that anyone born in the US is a citizen and that no law can be made to abridge this right.

The Kenyan Constitution says that all people who have Kenyan fathers are Kenyan citizens and, since Kenya doesn’t allow dual citizenship, this nullifies Obama’s citizenship…. NO! this one is simply ridiculous… anyone who believes that the Kenyan constitution takes precedent over the US constitution when it comes to US citizenship just is unreasonable. If the 14th amendment doesn’t allow US law to negate citizenship, it sure as hell isn’t going to let foreign governments negate Amrican’s citizenship.

The State of Hawaii was taken over illegally by the US govt, so it’s not really part of the US. Do I really have to give you reasons why this isn’t true?…

etc, etc, ect… and each time you idiots just repeat these stupid things and say… well, if he’d just deal with this ONE issue, then it would be over….

And, all of these ridiculous things weren’t enough… then PUMA, an organization of McCain supporters, hired Berg to file a suit against Obama using wikipedia as his primary source of evidence (look it up people… it’s on his site obamacrimes.com)

http://blogwonks.com/2008/06/21/could-the-obama-birth-certificate-posted-at-daily-kos-be-a-fake/


Why Is Maya Soetoro’s Name on Barack’s Phony Certificate of Live Birth?
By Larry Johnson

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-08-05 02:29:54

This is a huge issue. Not only was the document forged, but the template used was Barack’s sister’s COLB.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/05/why-is-maya-soetoros-name-on-baracks-phony-certificate-of-live-birth/


Rush Raises Issue of Obama Birth Certificate
October 23rd

http://bobmccarty.com/2008/10/23/rush-raises-issue-of-obama-birth-certificate/
We admit, it is becoming a bit rankling to hear Obama continuing to stumble over his words when speaking. Uh, his habit of puffing out his cheeks when making a specific emphasis of a point or two we can get used to, certainly easier to take than McCain and Palin's different winking styles.

Speaking now, his hands visible from time to time, Obama doesn't seem to have that insider gesture down yet, though. Watch his hands, are they really his?

We're drawn back to what we posted way upfront - the reproduced image of the birth certificate published on the Fight the Smears Obama site.

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

We have to wonder, why the links to Washington Post and to Factcheck.org at the base of the page? Isn't this document reproduction supposed to be a copy of an original copy of an original document which copy is in the possession of Barack Obama? Why the necessity to link to sites which use the same copy of a copy you've provided to confirm its authenticity?

And what about Eugene Volokh? Thought we'd forget he was the law professor who is quoted in the Chicago Tribune article which particulars should settle the Obama eligibility question?

Who is he?

On his weblog, Volokh addresses a wide variety of issues, with a focus on politics and law. He has criticized judicial citations of Wikipedia, arguing that information found on Wikipedia may be unreliable...

...His brother, Alexander "Sasha" Volokh, is a co-blogger at the Volokh Conspiracy and a visiting professor at the Georgetown University Law Center.

Since May 2005 he has been a contributing blogger at The Huffington Post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Volokh


Ah, the Volokh Conspiracy...

what's going on over there?

Re-issuance of birth certificates to reflect the names of the new parents is routinely done ...... Barack Obama, or former Sen. John Edwards is president. ...

http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_07_29-2007_08_04.shtml

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=eugene+volokh+barack+obama+birth+certificate&start=10&sa=N


All and still, why hasn't Joseph Farah debunked the debunker/s (Volokh and Chicago Tribune)

Farah doesn't need to? Because now it doesn't matter if Obama would be eligible despite if it's shown he was born elsewhere, now what matters is Obama tried to cover-up his birth by not producing an original birth certificate?

Farah and company are after the truth, so at the end of the website contents, just click on our donate form and send in your ten bucks to continue our efforts.

Oh, that's on the Obama website... too...

Net the Truth Online

And this is what WND ignored today and counting down to a new obsession. How many years til Ramos and Compean are pardoned?

Bush pardons 14 and commutes 2 prison sentences
Bush also commuted the prison sentences of John Edward Forte of North Brunswick, N.J., and James Russell Harris of Detroit, Mich. Both were convicted of cocaine offenses.

Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.

Some high-profile individuals, such as Michael Milken, are seeking a pardon on securities fraud charges. Two politicians convicted of public corruption - former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards - are asking Bush to shorten their prison terms.

One hot topic of discussion related to pardons is whether Bush might decide to issue pre-emptive pardons before he leaves office to government employees who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Some constitutional scholars and human rights groups want the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama to investigate possible war crimes.

If Bush were to pardon anyone involved, it would provide protection against criminal charges, particularly for people who were following orders or trying to protect the nation with their actions. But it would also be highly controversial.

At the same time, Obama advisers say there is little - if any - chance that his administration would bring criminal charges.

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