Friday, April 10, 2009

10 Point Drop in Christians In United States

Morning Joe hosts Rev. Tim Keller and Jon Meacham on the end of Christian America, a recent Newsweek piece which has stirred controversy seemingly just in time for Christians to celebrate Easter.

Meacham: 1973 occurrence... that was the beginning of cultural and religious struggle Roe judgement... 3 main Christian conservative movements anti-abortion, school prayer, and anti-same-sex marriage amendment... those aren't getting accomplished says Meachem...

One has to wonder at the title of the cover story as it does declare The End of Christian America, and that's what has precipitated all the controversy among conservative Christians.

The End of Christian America
The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. How that statistic explains who we are now—and what, as a nation, we are about to become.

By Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK
Published Apr 4, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Apr 13, 2009

For the time being, we're refraining from posting about the controversy that's recently arisen by President Barack Obama's speech wherein he expresses what many also consider: the United States isn't a Christian Nation, per se, nor is it a Jewish, or a Muslim, nation, but a nation that is "bound by ideals and a set of values."

Barack Obama in Turkey: US 'will never be at war with Islam'
President Barack Obama declared on Monday that "the United States is not and will never be at war with Islam" and told Turkey's parliament of his "deep appreciation for the Islamic faith". By Toby Harnden in Ankara
Last Updated: 10:32AM BST 07 Apr 2009

...Speaking for 25 minutes in front of a vast chamber of Turkish assembly members seated in comfy orange leather chairs, Mr Obama was received politely and was applauded when he described the PKK, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, as a terrorist group.

Before the speech, Mr Obama stood next to Abdullah Gul, Turkey's president, and stated that in the US: "We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

Obama: U.S. "Not A Christian Nation Or A Jewish Nation Or A Muslim Nation" (VIDEO)

At a press conference in Turkey, President Obama casually rebuked the old chestnut that the United States is a Judeo-Christian nation.

"One of the great strengths of the United States," the President said, "is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values."

We are supposed to be a nation equitable to all religions, all beliefs... on principle - no one single belief, or any belief 'promoted by government at the expense of other beliefs.'

But all of that is for another day.

We must point out criticism must follow President Barack Obama's policies which will lead to less individualism on which President Obama asserts is the foundation of the United States of America!

A potential End of America is posed in Terence Corcoran: Is this the end of America? highlighted in

The End of America Posted by Karen DeCoster at March 22, 2009 08:37 AM
at Lew Rockwell blog.

Terence Corcoran: Is this the end of America?
Posted: March 19, 2009, 7:38 PM by NP Editor
Terence Corcoran, Ben Bernanke, inflation
U.S. law-making is riddled with slapdash, incompetence and gamesmanship
By Terence Corcoran

Helicopter Ben Bernanke’s Federal Reserve is dropping trillions of fresh paper dollars on the world economy, the President of the United States is cracking jokes on late night comedy shows, his energy minister is threatening a trade war over carbon emissions, his treasury secretary is dithering over a banking reform program amid rising concerns over his competence and a monumentally dysfunctional U.S. Congress is launching another public jihad against corporations and bankers.

As an aghast world — from China to Chicago and Chihuahua — watches, the circus-like U.S. political system seems to be declining into near chaos. Through it all, stock and financial markets are paralyzed. The more the policy regime does, the worse the outlook gets. The multi-ringed spectacle raises a disturbing question in many minds: Is this the end of America?

Probably not, if only because there are good reasons for optimism. The U.S. economy has pulled out of self-destructive political spirals in the past, spurred on by its business class and corporate leaders, the profit-making and market-creating people who rose above the political turmoil to once again lift the world out of financial crisis. It’s happened many times before, except for once, when it took 20 years to rise out of the Great Depression.

Past success, however, is no guarantee of future recovery, especially now when there are daily disasters and new indicators of political breakdown. All developments are not disasters in themselves. The AIG bonus firestorm is a diversion from real issues , but it puts the ghastly political classes who make U.S. law on display for what they are: ageing self-serving demagogues who have spent decades warping the U.S. political system for their own ends. We see the system up close, law-making that is riddled with slapdash, incompetence and gamesmanship.

One test of whether we are witnessing the end of America is how many more times Americans put up with congressional show trials of individual business people and their employees, slandering and vilifying them for their actions and motives. And for how long will they tolerate a President who berates business and corporations as dens of crime and malfeasance? If the majority of Americans come to accept the caricatures of business as true, then America is closer to the end of its life as a global leader, as a champion of markets and individualism.

But America is at risk in other ways, especially in the technical business of setting and executing policy. The presidency of Barack Obama has set out on a course that has no precedent in U.S. history. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose New Deal transformed the U.S. economy during the Great Depression, pushed America off on a sharply different political and ideological course. The Obama administration is different in many ways, not least in its supreme self-confidence in its methods and objectives.

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Obama to CBN News: We're no Longer Just a Christian Nation
David Brody
CBN News Senior National Correspondant
July 30, 2007 - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tells CBN news that "America is no longer just a Christian nation" and laid out ways both religious conservatives and liberals can begin to find common ground."

Senator Obama made that statement by email in response to questions by CBN News' Senior National Correspondent David Brody. He told Brody that liberals need to understand that Government can't fix certain problems. Instead they need to recognize the moral component.

August 26, 2008
Q: Did Obama say we "are no longer a Christian nation"?
Is this true? It is now traveling around the Internet.

A: He said we are no longer "just" a Christian nation, but a nation of many other faiths as well. A chain e-mail drops that key word and thus changes the meaning.
This is an example of how omitting a single word from an otherwise accurate quote can twist the meaning so completely as to reverse it. Here's what Obama meant to say, during his keynote address to a "Call to Renewal" conference sponsored by the progressive Christian magazine Sojourners two years ago:

Obama, June 28, 2006 (prepared remarks): Given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

That quote appears also on Obama's campaign Web site. Unfortunately for Obama, he stumbled just a bit when he delivered the actual quote, as can be seen in this video of his speech, posted on YouTube by the Obama campaign. The way it actually came out was:

Obama, June 28, 2006 (as delivered): Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

That wasn't as smoothly stated as he had intended, but the meaning remains clear to any reasonable person. Saying that the U.S. is not "just" a Christian nation carries the sense that it is both a Christian nation and more: a nation of Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and nonbelievers as well. Furthermore, any survey of religious beliefs held by Americans will show that to be a factually correct statement.

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