Tuesday, January 22, 2008

Her Slipperyiness: Sleight of Hand Part Who's Counting

January 22, 2008
Obama: Hillary Clinton 'fudges the truth'


We questioned the constitutionality national Democrat Party committee action to withhold delegates from the contenders who acquired them by vote of the in this case Democrat Party people. Michigan and Florida were the two Primary states which were sanctioned by the National Democrat Party Committee.

They will come into the mix only if Hillary Clinton is behind in delegates to the national Democratic Convention. Watch for it.

Florida's Primary is upcoming January 29, 2008. Where will it happen? Haha had to throw that in for ya.

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AFT Says Clinton Primary Win In Michigan Will Help Her Get Nomination - 01/16/08 By Doug Cunningham

Michigan’s American Federation of Teachers President, Dave Hecker agrees that Michigan’s delegates will count for Clinton. His union believes Clinton is the best candidate. Hecker says Clinton's win in Michigan will help her win the nomination.

[Hecker]: “It absolutely will help. You need Michigan to win.


As Michigan's Primary already happened, we'll focus there.

Michigan was stripped of its delegates by the Democratic Party for moving its primary to Jan. 15.


Democrats punish Michigan for early primary
Leaders vote to strip state of all delegates for violating party rules
updated 10:43 a.m. ET, Sat., Dec. 1, 2007

...Michigan officials anticipated the action by the Democratic National Committee's rules panel. But Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said before the vote that he didn't think the delegates would be lost for good. He expects the Democratic presidential nominee will insist the state's delegates be seated at the convention.


Yep. But only when Hillary needs those added-in delegates by August 25-28 at the Democrat Party's national convention will anybody, such as a national teacher's union and the like, insist the state's delegates be seated.

The map of her wins in Michigan makes for an impressive visual. But consider how many voted against Hillary by voting uncommitted, knowingly.

Jan. 15, 2008 Michigan Democratic Primary


What's worse. Because of that action, five of the candidates including Obama basically pulled themselves out of the ballot spots prior to that and so who was left on the ballot? Hillary Clinton.

Voters Face Confusion in Michigan Dem Race
Updated 6:37 p.m.
By Peter Slevin
CHICAGO -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is the only top-tier Democrat on the Jan. 15 Michigan primary ballot, but followers of her chief rivals are hoping to wound her all the same.


Now how fair would it be if Clinton later got all of her acquired delegates, when the other candidates had to pull out, and voters very likely were not only confused, but voted for Clinton thinking she was the only one running? And some voters wrote in names of candidates who had long ago removed themselves such as Chris Dodd.

Then watch how those voters made their mark on ballots, or how the machines may have counted or placed "uncommitted" votes, and you see the additional nightmare created by that situation.

Land’s “Dirty Little Secrets” About the Primary Election
Land refuses to acknowledge serious problems
January 17, 2008

LANSING- While Secretary of State Terri Land breaks her arm patting herself on the back about Tuesday’s primary election, these are some of the dirty little secrets - serious problems - about the election she will not tell you:

In at least 27 counties - 1/3 of the counties in the state - vote tabulators were misprogrammed and counted uncommitted votes with write-in votes.

Throughout the state, thousands of voters - perhaps tens of thousands - cast write-in votes which were not counted because Land did no voter education prior to or on election day to advise those voters about Michigan’s write-in procedures...


The problem wasn't the Secretary of State, but rather the National Democratic Party antics.

44 Percent Vote Against Clinton
Wednesday, January 16, 2008; Page A07

About 44 percent of Michigan Democrats voted against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) yesterday in the party's primary, with the vast majority of that group marking "uncommitted" on ballots that did not include any other major candidates

All of the major Democratic candidates except Clinton withdrew their names from the ballot after the national party punished Michigan for holding its primary too early by stripping the state of its delegates to the party's national convention in August...


Michigan should not be put back into the delegate mix later. But watch for it to happen and pressed by Clinton's largest backer the American Federation of Teachers.

One bright spot, there were almost as many uncommitted delegates in Michigan than Clinton got, and a large portion if not all of those would likely go to the last man standing after Feb. 5th. In other words, Clinton will remain no matter what, but after Feb. 5, it will be either Obama or Edwards. (Or Ron Paul!)

Paul supporters registered Democrats urged to vote for Ron Paul


So Michigan's uncommitted will go to whichever of them shows well after Feb. 5.

On the other hand, Florida will see Obama's name on the ballot along with several others there facing Clinton head on for "uncommitted" Florida delegates.

Florida still critical for Democrats, despite party sanctions
By Lesley Clark, Beth Reinhard
Published on: 01/14/08


Should Obama take the larger amount of Florida by the majority, racking up even slightly more delegates from that state than Hillary, even Hillary's committed delegates from Michigan may jump ship come August.

Did anybody see how Mr. Obama came out looking like Presidential material during the picking, picking, picking at anything doled out by Clinton - and later John Edwards - last night at the CNN sponsored presidential debates among Democratic candidates?

We'll report later how others viewed that battle. For now, we believe Clinton looked like she was grasping for straws, anything to edge into Obama's increasing popularity.

Hillary is going to need every single delegate she can slide in.

Sabato: One way or the other, delegates will be seated," he said in an interview this week. Nevertheless, "this could cause great controversy if the Clinton-Obama race is still close."

Wonder who Sabato is supporting for President?

You bet it's causing controversy since even though Clinton has more delegates to date, if she loses South Carolina and wins in Florida, she is going to bring up the issue of those with-held delegates in Florida, and in Michigan.

Although you don't hear a whimper about Michigan now. Wonder why not?

The word disenfranchised popped up here, but surprisingly has not been raised by Democrats until now.

Now that Hillary got one less delegate than Obama in Nevada. Now that Hillary there acquired a so-called victory because she squeaked out only a few thousand more in popular votes in Nevada.

That was an interesting as all get out contention to begin with.

See our previous posts.

Imagine nobody checking the voter registrations to determine if shift workers are who they say they are? Yep, happened in Nevada.

Wonder whether the same will happen in Florida.

See the green papers for each state and how they handle the process to nominate a presidential candidate for Republican or Democrat Party.

Don't fall for the sob story later. Can you hear Bill Clinton when Barack Obama comes from nowhere basically and brisks past Clinton in Primary after Primary, capturing MORE delegates than Hillary because he's caught the attention of a wider span of the people? Hillary needs a few more delegates at the national convention to claim she has the "vote" of the people behind her. Bill will come out a fighting about voter disenfranchisement. Just like he did in Nevada.

Meanwhile, who told Nevada voters at caucuses: arrive by 11:30 a.m. or doors shut and you make sure that happens wink wink?

Michigan, Florida bitter over delegate losses
By Salena Zito
Sunday, January 20, 2008

It's one more quirk in a presidential election year that has begun with many of them: Votes cast for Democratic candidates in Michigan -- and in Florida's upcoming primary -- will not count.
And that's causing bitterness and blame, say political analysts and party faithful.

"The seeds of a massive fight have been planted," said Larry Sabato, political science professor at the University of Virginia, who thinks, in the end, two large swing states won't be underrepresented at the Aug. 25-28 Democratic National Convention in Denver.

"One way or the other, delegates will be seated," he said in an interview this week. Nevertheless, "this could cause great controversy if the Clinton-Obama race is still close."

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in the Nevada caucus, but Illinois Sen. Barack Obama won the national convention delegate count, 13-12. Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina finished a distant third.
The Democratic National Committee sanctioned Michigan and Florida by stripping them of their delegates when the states ignored committee rules and moved their primaries ahead of the committee-approved Feb. 5 "Super-Duper Tuesday." Twenty-four states will hold primaries and caucuses on that date.

Michigan, which held its primary Jan. 15, would have sent 174 delegates to the convention. Florida, whose voters go to the polls Jan. 29, would have sent 210.

"We thought it was important to take a stand," said Mark Brewer, Michigan State Democratic Party chairman. "We did this on principle, and the principle is that it is unfair that small, unrepresentative states like Iowa and New Hampshire always get to go first. That is why we moved up."

But, he acknowledged, "Plenty of people complained to me that they felt disenfranchised."

Sabato concedes the two states' Democratic voters are disenfranchised, "but only temporarily -- and for a good cause."

Officials in those states indeed stood up "for the rights of larger states to have proportionate influence in the selection of presidential nominees," he said.

Yet, he understands the Democratic National Committee's position. "Why bother to have rules if you don't enforce them?"


Green Papers source


Michigan ballot access may be helpful


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