Thursday, October 12, 2006

O'Reilly's opportunity-missed to debunk a 9/11 debunker already debunked

O'Reilly calls 9/11 disbeliever a nut, and unfortunately is too emotional to engage in actual truth-seeking for our benefit.

O'Reilly wouldn't even let his guest, Jim Fetzer, speak about anything.

See 'Grossly Irresponsible'
Watch the fiery debate as O'Reilly takes on 9/11 conspiracy theorist

Fetzer, friend of Wisconsin instructor Kevin Barrett, according to the blipping informational stream. O'Reilly didn't note Fetzer founded Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Fetzer tried to get a word past Bill O'Reilly on the Factor.

O'Reilly wouldn't let Fetzer speak about the poorported findings of a number of academics, around the country, on the subject of September 11, 2001.

O'Reilly dodges and deflects instead of keying in on the "facts" and statements presented on Fetzer's site.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth

O'Reilly just didn't want to listen to one word from Fetzer. He just bashed and badgered, so no/few words were able to be spoken.

Had O'Reilly let the man speak, Fetzer's facts would have been out there, with the potential to either be challenged, or not.

O'Reilly didn't want the "or not." So he refrained from using reason to challenge Fetzer.

He missed an opportunity, and did all of us a disservice.

See my This is Not a Conspiracy Theory

I focus on the facts related to the reaction of President George W. Bush upon learning from his Chief of Staff Andrew Card that a second plane had crashed on September 11, 2001 in New York - into the World Trade Center.

A couple of years ago, I called into the Honsberger Live program to respond to a question Honz asked about President George W. Bush. What could the president have done, viewers were asked.

Hons was not only disrespectful, he immediately tagged me as a Bush basher, Bush hater.

Honz was confusing the facts about President Bush's learning of the first plane crash into the World Trade Center prior to entering the second grade classroom. Honz led viewers to believe Andrew Card whispered that a plane had just crashed into the World Trade Center.

I tried to set the official record straight from my own research. So I do know what it is like to be summarily dismissed.

For myself, I would not join in with 9/11 scholars since the site has this statement.

The Pentagon's own videotape does not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O'Reilly admitted when it was shown on "The Factor"; but at 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 71-foot Pentagon is high and should have been present and visible; it was not, which means that the building was not hit by a Boeing 757!

By that one listing, 9/11 scholars for truth is discredited as a reputable outfit. That line is simply not using logical thinking. A videotape may not capture everything and just because time-stamped images don't show the Boeing hitting the building doesn't mean the Boeing didn't hit the building. and oh my goodness comparing length to height, well who wrote that?

So because the Pentagon is less than double in height than the plane is long, well that proves the building was not hit by a Boeing 757?

Maybe there is more explanatory material on the Scholars for 9/11 Truth site, but it doesn't matter - that is simply shoddy and easily refuted on its face.

911 a Hoax? Scholar for 911 Truth versus American Thinker
September 18th, 2006
Editor’s Note: Following publication last Friday of J.R. Dunn’s article “Conspiracy Theories and Media Ignorance”, American Thinker received a response from one of the principal advocates of a theory debunked in that article, James H. Fetzer, Distinguished McKnight University Professor Emeritus, University of Minnesota Duluth. One of the distinguished professor’s fields of expertise is listed by that university as “The assassination of JFK”.

We present Professor Fetzer’s letter in its entirety, along with a response from Mr. Dunn. Professor Fetzer was offered an opportunity for a rejoinder, but as of the time of publication Monday morning, we have not received one from him.

No More Games (apparently, nmg, believes nothing about 9/11, so the site is difficult to assess)
The website illustrates, perhaps better than any website, how disinformation both exploits and neutralizes some of the best work of 9/11 Truth researchers and activists. The website presents several potent assets:

The scholarly and meticulous work of members Steven Jones and David Griffin.
The impressive list of Scholars For 9/11 Truth members, including such distinguished contributors to the 9/11 Truth cause as Kevin Ryan, Don Paul, Andreas Von Buelow, Robert M. Bowman, Kevin Barrett, Ian Woods, and Victoria Ashley.
The concept of a group of scholars bringing together their expertise to challenge the government's account -- a first in the history of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
However, through the energetic spokespersonship of James Fetzer, exploits these assets to increase its profile and thereby promote the Pentagon no-jetliner theory featured on its "Resources" page.

The association of the junk science typified by the's resources page with the competent work of Jones and Griffin featured on the home page functions both to advance the former, and discredit the latter through association. In an essay examining, Jim Hoffman concludes that the website may sabotage the work of Steven Jones.

Reason's Weekly Dispatch
By Jeff A. Taylor and the Reason staff
October 3, 2006
Vol. 9, No. 40

Replaying 9/11 -- Again

Bob Woodward has kicked off another firestorm in Washington with one of his books recreating conversations no one else can exactly recall. This time, however, the story appears to breaking Woodward's way. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, claimed to be unable to recall a July 2001 meeting with former CIA chief George Tenet, but the White House has now confirmed that the meeting took place.

Woodward recalls former Tenet aide J. Cofer Black saying that the CIA was unable to get Rice's attention on fears of an impending terrorist strike to come sometime in the summer of 2001. The really good part is that this July 10, 2001 meeting did not make it into the 9/11 Commission's report (at least not in a way anybody could identify), although transcripts show that Tenet told the 9/11 commission about it and even provided the PowerPoint slides that he showed Rice that day.

There has always been a pall hanging over the 9/11 Commission's work. Many conspiracy theorists have viewed its work as stage-managed to such a degree that its conclusions are largely worthless. With this weird omission of a meeting of key intelligence principals, the tin-foil hat crowd has a whole new lease on life...

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