Border Patrol Agents Wives Talk

On Glenn Beck's program, wives of two border patrol agents, Ramos and Compean, speak about the situation of their husbands' prosecution and incarceration...

Duncan Hunter also speaks about the unfairness of the sentences of 11 and 12 years for the two men.

94 members of Congress have signed the Congressional pardon, Hunter says...

Another woman speaks about her husband's case. Ashley Hernandez, wife of Gilmer Hernandez. The bullet he discharged was at the van's tires...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/gb.html

Homeland Security Liars

All the cable so-called news networks are incessantly and obsessively talking about the astronaut turned stalker. What a blockbuster novel that will make when the woman is tried, convicted for something, serves a minimum sentence, possibly serving no time in jail, and released on parole.

Fox News Network is tagging the situation Lust in Space! Really, and they want to be taken seriously for serious reporting. They just lost viewers for their morning and afternoon coverage, ok, except for the weather (and debates on global warming).

We'll have to see if John Gibson and Bill O'Reilly allow Lust in Space to remain the headliner on their programs. It's expected Hannity and Colmes will pack their program tonight with psychoanalists and the like who will pick apart every detail from every angle of the woman's life.

CNN reporting throughout the day the accused astronaut is to receive medical and psych evaluation today. NASA Love Scandal. Really, who cares. She'll likely get the evaluations at taxpayers' expense, go into rehab at taxpayers's expense, and then be taken back into the exclusive fold. She'll then take a sabbatical and write her book.

How'd the government miss a whacko given all the rigorous testing of their mental capabilities?

Meanwhile, what are the networks missing?

Homeland security's role in the case of the border agents Ramos and Compean - that's what they're ignoring. Details of their refusal initially to provide legislators with documentation are just coming to light.

President Bush has indicated he will not pardon the border agents, he's still reviewing the "government's case" against them.

that takes time, there's a process...

It's no wonder the Homeland Security Department Agency didn't want to release documents in the case of the prosecution of the two men.

Now that they have, they are shown to be nothing more than liars.

John Gibson gives some attention to the border patrol agents and asks Judge Napolitano about the case. The Judge says they were right to be prosecuted since they shot a man running away in the back.

Gibson failed to set the record straight, guess he just didn't know and doesn't read World Net Daily or Net the Truth Online, nor did he bother to have anybody on who was familiar with the entirety of the case at this time.

Meanwhile Lou Dobbs Tonight is coverning the matter in depth, and heatedly.

Dobbs says the men were prosecuted before the end of the investigation. Casey Wian reports. Culberson is interviewed!

Get the transcript...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ldt.html

Aired February 7, 2007 - 18:00 ET

Also tonight, the Department of Homeland Security now admits it lied in the case of two U.S. Border Patrol agents sent to prison for doing their jobs. One of those agents severely beaten in prison. Leading members of Congress are furious.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/07/ldt.01.html

Thanks Lou..

Dobbs Poll for the night results in a first time ever agreement of 100 percent that the Department of Homeland Security should be held accountable for lying about Ramos and Compean (border patrol agents)

Glenn Beck

Government Lies about Border Agent Shooting; Author Fears for Life from Islamic Extremists Aired February 7, 2007
GLENN BECK, HOST: I am sorry to report, but our government has been lying to us about the border. Wait until you hear the new details...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/07/gb.01.html

Process...

Justice reviewing border agents' transcripts
Snow says that's one step in process of evaluating pardon eligibility

The White House says that there are procedures to follow in considering any request or suggestion for a presidential pardon, and that's what is going on right now in the case involving Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, two U.S. Border Patrol agents sentenced to prison for shooting at a fleeing drug smuggler.

The comments came in response to questions from Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House, about the case following a beating Ramos suffered allegedly at the hands of illegal aliens being held in the same prison where he is.

"The Fort Worth Star Telegraph quotes President Bush of Fox TV network as saying that he is bound by strict federal guidelines on pardons, and cannot immediately grant a pardon to Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean because, quote, 'there is a series of steps that are analyzed in order for the Justice Department to make a recommendation as to whether or not a president grants a pardon,'" Kinsolving said...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54127

Government admits lying about jailed border agents
Inspector confronted on Capitol Hill, says promised 'proof' does not exist
Posted: February 6, 2007
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A Department of Homeland Security official admitted today the agency misled Congress when it contended it possessed investigative reports proving Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean confessed guilt and declared they "wanted to shoot some Mexicans" prior to the incident that led to their imprisonment.

The admission came during the testimony of DHS Inspector General Richard L. Skinner before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, according to Michael Green, press secretary for Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas.

Culberson was questioning Skinner about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant.

WND previously reported that at that meeting the DHS Inspector General's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean:


confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect;

stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting;

stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican";

were belligerent to investigators;

destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.
Under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up the claims: "The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied.

This prompted a startled and angry response from Culberson, who charged Skinner's office with lying to the Texas congressmen and painting Ramos and Compean as dirty cops.

Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month after their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler who was granted immunity to testify against them.

Responding to Skinner's testimony yesterday, Poe said it "explains why DHS has been stonewalling Congress."

"DHS didn't turn over the reports to us to back up their September 26 accusations for one simple reason – the reports never existed," the Texas congressman said.

"Why did it take DHS four months to admit their error?" he asked. "I wonder how much more has DHS told the public and Congress about Ramos and Compean that simply isn't true?"

Poe said he's determined to get to the bottom of DHS's claim.

"I expect this new revelation will lead to a lot more questions before we're done," he said.

Andy Ramirez, who has been involved with the case as chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol, told WND the DHS's actions "represent obstruction of justice, and they should be held in contempt of Congress, and, if possible, prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54132
Congress gets reports on jailed border patrol agents
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 02/01/2007 12:00:00 AM PST

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After five months of delays, the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General delivered the documents pertaining to the case of former Border Patrol agents Ignacio "Nacho" Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, who were convicted last March of the nonfatal shooting of a Mexican drug smuggler.

Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said last week that Homeland Security Inspector General Richard Skinner refused to deliver what he had promised House members since September.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5132071

Officials urged to resign for lie about border agents
Congressman calls for ouster of DHS deputies after IG admits agency gave false information
Posted: February 7, 2007

A Republican congressman is calling for the resignation of Department of Homeland Security officials who he says lied about the case of two Border Patrol agents imprisoned for their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler.

As WND reported, at a congressional hearing yesterday, Rep. John Culberson of Texas confronted DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner about his agency's claim it had documentary proof of the guilt of former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.

"Richard Skinner admitted yesterday under oath that his top deputies gave members of Congress false information painting Border Patrol agents as rogue cops who were not in fear for their lives and who were 'out to shoot Mexicans,'" Culberson said in a statement.

Culberson said he believes false information was given to congressmen to "throw us off the scent and cover up what appears to be an unjust criminal prosecution of two U.S. law enforcement officers whose job was protecting our country's borders from criminals and terrorists."

The admission came during Skinner's testimony before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee. Culberson was asking questions about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant.

WND previously reported that at that meeting Skinner's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean:


confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect;

stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting;

stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican";

were belligerent to investigators;

destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.
Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month of 11 and 12 years respectively.

Yesterday, under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up its claims.

"The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied.

This prompted a startled and angry response from Culberson, who charged Skinner's office with lying to the Texas congressmen and painting Ramos and Compean as dirty cops.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54142

Memo casts doubt on agency's assertions
Homeland Security won't release papers on border agents' case
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 01/29/2007 12:00:00 AM PST

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5108915

Jan. 19, 2007, 12:24PM
Legislators want report on ex-agents
Its release could clear doubts about border shooting case, some say
By MICHELLE MITTELSTADT
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4481939.html

Another view

Report: Agents in Border Shooting Lied
Feb 7, 9:27 PM (ET)
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and SUZANNE GAMBOA

EL PASO, Texas (AP) - A federal report released Wednesday on the shooting of a suspected drug smuggler by Border Patrol agents concurs with prosecutors that the men failed to report the shooting, destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.

Some members of Congress have criticized the case against Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, who were fired after their obstruction of justice convictions and have each been sentenced to more than a decade in federal prison.

Congressional critics, who say the men were doing their jobs when they injured Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila in 2005 near El Paso, had sought the release of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security report.

The report "has just emboldened our position because there is nothing in there that indicates these agents were not justified in shooting this individual," said Tara Setmayer, a spokeswoman for Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. "This finally sheds some light on what these agents were thinking."

She pointed to a written statement by Compean in which she said reflects that he "clearly believed the drug smuggler had a weapon and feared for his life."

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., agreed Wednesday to allow Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to hold a hearing on the case, as she requested.

"I strongly believe that the sentences in this case are too extreme, given the criminal nature of the defendant and his possession of large quantities of drugs," Feinstein said in a statement. "These men were given sentences that some individuals who are convicted of murder wouldn't receive."

The heavily redacted, 77-page report, drafted last year, offers few new details. It primarily outlines what Aldrete said happened on Feb. 17, 2005, as he tried to run from Border Patrol agents after trying to elude them in a van loaded with marijuana.

According to the report, Aldrete, who was given immunity and has filed a multimillion-dollar claim against the federal government, told investigators he was unarmed and was shot as he ran from Compean and other agents. He said he tried to surrender and ran again after Compean slipped while trying to hit him with the butt of a shotgun.

The report also notes that other agents on the scene that day could not confirm whether Aldrete was armed and initially lied about whether they were aware of the shooting. They later cooperated with authorities. Those agents, whose names were removed from the report, were not prosecuted.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Rep. John Culberson, a Texas Democrat, said Ramos and Compean "may not have followed proper procedure following the shooting, which at most should have resulted in their suspension from the force, but not criminal procedure."

A spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, whose office prosecuted the case and who has been widely criticized for pursing the agents and not the drug dealer shot, declined to comment...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070208/D8N58LF00.html

Myth of Border Agents Presidential Pardons

It is imperative to sign the petition at grassfire.org first, if you have not already done so, and/or contact President George Bush and demand a pardon for Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=11534548&NID=1

White House Phone: 202-456-111
White House Fax: 202-456-2461
White House E-mail: comments@whitehouse.gov
Congress and Pelosi: 866-340-9281
Attorney Albert Gonzales: 202-514-2001
Prosecuting Attorny Office (Johnny Sutton & Debra Kanof): 210-384-7400
Tony Snow: 202-456-2673

Link from http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/ contains information and material and a link to form to send email

Urgent Appeal for Presidential Pardon
Two Border Patrol Agents Being Railroaded for Political Purposes

http://capwiz.com/usbc/index_frame.dbq?url=http://capwiz.com/usbc/issues/alert/?alertid=9177571&type=PR

The following was compiled by Net the Truth Online which alone takes full responsibility for tagging KFOX-TV headline Bush: Convicted Border Agents Could be Pardoned a myth.

Friday's KFOX-TV news breaking interview with President George W. Bush in El Paso, Texas produced the astonishing headline
Bush: Convicted Border Agents Could Be Pardoned which we'll show has been manufactured to create the hype and hope that President George W. Bush may pardon Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, two border patrol agents prosecuted by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton and convicted by a Texas jury for pursuing and shooting a fleeing illegal alien, and smuggling suspect, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila of Mexico.

The idea that Bush may pardon the two border patrol agents quells resounding and growing criticism of President Bush for his continued inaction in the case since their trial which began in March 2006 and ended after two weeks. According to World Net Daily a federal jury convicted Compean, 28, and Ramos, 37, in March after a two-week trial on charges of causing serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence and a civil rights violation.

Wednesday, January 17, 2007, the men entered federal prison to begin serving sentences of 11 and 12 years for those charges.

Before the conviction, supporters of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean began an effort to obtain justice, including seeking a pardon from President George W. Bush.

According to http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/ ...For months multiple organizations have been working with members of Congress to raise awareness of this case. One member who has been leading the charge is Congressman Walter Jones (R-NC). Over the past four months, Congressman Jones has written seven letters to the Bush administration regarding the Ramos and Compean case: three to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, one to Press Secretary Tony Snow, and three to President Bush himself.

Indeed, one of the letters sent to Attorney General Gonzales was signed by 22 members of Congress; another by six members.

However, during the Christmas holiday, President George W. Bush reportedly began the process to pardon, and therefore exonerate several persons, but Ramos and Compean were not among the commutation and pardons...

Bush pardons 16, commutes sentence in drug case
POSTED: 7:20 p.m. EST, December 21, 2006

President Bush issued 16 pardons Thursday and commuted the sentence of an Iowa man convicted of drug charges.

Six of the federal offenses were drug crimes, while others included bank fraud, mail fraud, the acceptance of a kickback, a false statement on a loan application and conspiracy to defraud the government over taxes... The longest sentence was nine years, for aiding cocaine distribution, followed by a six-year term for conspiracy to possess marijuana...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/21/bush.pardons.ap/index.html

Following the leniency for those who were convicted of drug crimes, but continued neglect of Ramos and Compean, criticism of President George W. Bush's inaction on the case swelled, spreading as quickly as a Malibu fire.

23. To: fitz, all (#1)

Will he pardon those two innocent border agents?

No...

But he has "pardoned" 25,000,000 illegal Mexican invaders.

liberator posted on 2006-12-22

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=170453

Border agents plead for 'Christmas pardon'
Congressman hosts rally asking Bush to stop 'miscarriage of justice'

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53448

The day the two men entered federal prison to begin 11 and 12 year sentences, one Congressman, a Republican, called President Bush a disgrace according to WND's January 17, 2007 article, Border Agents Sent to Prison

Border agents sent to prison
Angry Republican congressman calls President Bush 'disgrace'
Posted: January 17, 2007 By Art Moore © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53805

What has a majority of American citizens upset is the nonchalance of the Bush Administration towards protecting our borders and enforcing existing laws regarding illegal aliens.

Fox News cable network programming featured the Bush pardon item throughout the course of the Friday, starting with Fox 'n Friends early morning, spiraling onward with Bill Hemmer, and continuing through Hannity and Colmes late evening.

Oddly, Hannity and Colmes had family of the men in one segment, apart from the next segment which featured the one person the family would have wanted to grill, publicly, U.S. Attorney, Johnny Sutton!

Hannity introduced the segments with the Bush pardon, and then never once asked the family or Sutton what their thoughts were on that!

Hopefully, the family will notice our blog and watch the KFOX-TV video of the Bush interview.

All is not as it appears to be, as we show herein. President Bush did not - we repeat - offer to consider a pardon during the interview by KFOX-TV reporter Alison Burns.

Even skeptical World Net Daily, whose editor, Joseph Farah blasted Bush January 17, 2007 in his article "Presidents Must Obey Law Too" unquestioningly picked up the Fox News AP headlines and linked to the then breaking news:

Bush Considering Pardon for Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Mexican Drug Runner

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C244938%2C00.html

AP President Bush Would Consider Pardoning Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Drug Runner Friday, January 19, 2007

All day long, nobody questioned the KFOX TV news report and headlines.

Mythical Morning

According to Fox 'n Friends trio Carlson, Doocy, and Kilmeade discussing the issue:

President Bush may pardon the two federal law enforcement agents.

"There's a process for pardons, says President Bush...

It’s got to work its way through a system here in the government. I just want people to take a sober look at the case.”

The announcement departs from indications by Tony Snow, Gretchen Carlson said, the other day, when according to Snow, the agents didn't know the man had drugs on him and it was daylight... they retrieved spent shells and didn't report they'd discharged firearms...

"Border guards must obey the law, too," said Snow.

http://www.google.com/search?q=border+guards+must+obey+law+too&hl=en&sourceid=gd&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2006-40,GGLD:en

We will show President George W. Bush did not say what he's quoted as saying:

I just want people to take a sober look at the case.

In fact, Bush said "I just want people to take a sober look at the reality ."

That is far different than using the word "case," which President Bush does not use.

Just review the video posted to the right on the http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html site.

Another AP headline: Bush open to idea of pardon for former U.S. Border Patrol agents who shot Mexican drug dealer

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/01/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Border-Agents-Shooting.php

Maybe if it's repeated often enough - all day long on the Fox News network - people will begin to believe it. If it shows up in worldwide news reports, people will begin to believe it. Even the family of Ramos and Compean, apparently believe it, according to CNN report included in a discussion of the case on Lou Dobbs Tonight.

But here at Net the Truth Online, we're checking deeper, reading the reports closer because, after all, it's a day after the two border patrol agents are sent to prison, it's after Congressman Rohrbacher calls President Bush a "disgrace," and it's months after rallies and activism of supporters to do right by these two border patrol agents.

A mere day after Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean entered federal prison, January 18, along comes El Paso-based KFOX TV's interview with President George W. Bush.

Bush: Convicted Border Agents Could Be Pardoned

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

Is the KFOX TV astonishing headlined news announcement of a possible pardon by President George W. Bush accurate?

No, it is not accurate.

Is the KFOX TV report misleading?

Yes, the report is misleading.

Note reporters for the article:

Alison Burns, Catherine Reynolds and Scott MacFarlane, KFOX-TV

Notice, Alison Burns conducted the interview of George W. Bush.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

We submit the KFOX TV report and headline are in error. Burns in fact paraphrases wording the President of the United States never uttered during the interview.

View the videotape posted on the site to the right, entitled KFOX TV Exclusive.

Bush did not say as the KFOX TV headline announces Bush: Convicted border agents could be pardoned.

After a careful rereading of the original KFOXTV report as posted and on which all subsequent news reports are based, including AP and Fox News, and CNN, we found the article does not quote President Bush saying he will consider pardons.

In fact, note what is in quotes, what Bush actually said as indicated by quotation marks:

a White House review will take place. “People need to take a tough look at the facts, the evidence a jury looked at, as well as (the) judge. And I will do the same thing,”

Bush said the cases of Compean and Ramos have “got a lot of emotions”.

“Border Patrol and law enforcement have no stronger supporter than me,” he said.

Notice. None of that is saying he would consider pardons at this point. But that's what is the headline of the piece, and the lead sentence portray.

President Bush on Thursday indicated that a presidential pardon for two Texas Border Patrol Agents remains a possibility.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

We reviewed the actual video provided on the KFOX TV site. And we followed the actual chronology of questions and responses. Doing so reveals an entirely different interpretation than what is being reported nationwide, on Fox and as we found later, also on CNN. See below.

KFOX Exclusive: Bush to consider Pardon for Border Patrol Agents

Listen to President Bush's exact words from the KFOX TV video of Alison Burns interview of President Bush

Alison Burns reporting

Bush tells me he is carefully considering the case and a pardon is still a possibility but he seems skeptical of letting the two border agents off the hook.

Bush: just want people to take a sober look at the reality.

Burns: President Bush tells me he realizes it's an emotional issue but he's relying on facts what do you think about their situation and how do you decide to grant a pardon?

Bush: there are standards that need to be met in law enforcement and according to a jury of their peers, these officers violated some standards, on this case people need to take a hard look at the facts, the evidence the jury looked at as well as the judge. I will do the same thing. Border patrol or law enforcement has no stronger supporter than me.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10785667/detail.html

The bottom line here is people need to do more than take a sober look at the reality, they need to act to support the two unjustly convicted border agents.

The KFOX TV interview exchange does not show President Bush stating in any way he is at this time considering a possibility of pardoning the two border agents, Ramos and Compean.

In fact, carefully reviewing the video, it seems more likely that Bush may want to provide the case for vindication of how the United States Justice Department prosecuted the two border agents!

Review the video again and match it against the AP report posted on the Fox News website and the KFOX TV report. The report extracts only part of what President Bush said, and lays that out as if it was said chronologically, all together.

Bush said "there's a process for pardons" and the case has to work its way through the system. In an interview with KFOX-TV in El Paso, Texas, Bush said the White House will review the case, and he urged people to "take a sober look at the case."

"People need to take a tough look at the facts, the evidence a jury looked at, as well as the judge. And I will do the same thing," he said.

Mythical Afternoon

Bill Hemmer on the afternoon Fox on line report repeats the same headlines and wording. The news reporter ___ said partially... supporters of the two convicted border patrol agents are encouraged this morning by news of a potential presidential pardon... yesterday the president seemed to leave open the possibility of a presidential pardon.

The clip shown is only that portion where Bush says he'll do the same as the jury and the judge. The segment did not include the whole portion of what Bush said!

Worse, the jury convicted the agents and the judge after a review refused to grant the men bond while seeking an appeal!

Mythical Evening

This evening, Sean Hannity introduces the topic of the Presidential pardon at the beginning of Hannity and Colmes.

President Bush is considering a pardon of the two agents... he has said he will take a sober look at a pardon for the agents...

Hannity and Colmes are interviewing family of border patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean. We're listening. Mary Stillinger, agents' attorney... and father-in-law. Following them was Johnny Sutton.

Sutton says they shot at him 15 times... they didn't report to their supervisor, they covered up...

The prosecutor defended his prosecution. Hannity asks whether he disputes that the suspect had a gun.

Colmes asks if he had a gun.

Sutton says the jury determined he didn't have a gun.

Then Sutton said other agents were nearby at the top of the levee, why didn't the two warn them if the suspect had a gun.

They knew they shot at an unarmed man and they covered it up...

Again, where did Hannity get the quote that Bush is taking a sober look at a pardon for the agents?

Fox News/AP picked up the KFOX TV report and all the network anchors do is reiterate without checking the actual videotape of the KFOX TV interview and the myth of President Bush possibly pardoning the border agents is born and put into action.

The myth could continue not only into Tuesday, January 21, 2007 State of the Union address by President Bush, but for another year or two, then President Bush is out of office.

Those pesky naysayers are meanwhile given hope, the family is given hope, just as we initially had, for pardons sooner rather than later. But that may not ever happen.

Meanwhile, President Bush isn't likely to set the record straight, ever. Nor is Tony Snow, White House Communications Director.

Bill O'Reilly also needs to be criticized for his handling of this situation over the past few days. On Thursday, O'Reilly interviewed Johnny Sutton, the prosecuter in the case without having a guest who could point by point rebut Sutton. That segment was not fair and balanced. O'Reilly even asked Sutton about regulations regarding a "fleeing" suspect, can the agents shoot at them, he asked, then he answered his own question - and he let Sutton slide since Sutton DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. With anyone else, O'Reilly would not have let them off the hook, he'd have said, No Spin Zone here, Sutton. But O'Reilly had his own viewpoint and comments to back up from a previous segment.

O'Reilly even had Mancow on shortly after Sutton, and failed to ask Mancow anything about the conviction of Ramos and Compean and the statements of the U.S. Attorney, Johnny Sutton, who'd just preceded Mancow.

Surely, Mancow would have had an opinion on it.

Why wasn't Mancow his usual obnoxious self? What a disservice to The Factor viewers to have Mancow on the program and neglect to ask him about Sutton's comments.

That's ridiculous!

Not that Mancow was always right on the issues, and his style when he got his own program Planet Mancow on Fox got more outrageous than his usual Fox appearances, which many times had to be bleeped, but Mancow did not shirk from controversy with anybody, even a Bill O'Reilly. Yet, that's exactly what he did face-to-face with O'Reilly on Thursday's The Factor. Very odd. It was as if there was a pact - a code - of silence between them on the two border agents' conviction.

See our previous post O'Reilly Unbalanced

http://netthetruthonline.blogspot.com/2007/01/oreilly-unbalanced.html

Agent Ramos blogspot picks up the Bush pardon story, but carefully words its link:

Bush Allegedly Eyes Pardon for Border Patromen

http://agentramos.blogspot.com/

Bush eyes pardon for Border Patrolmen
1/18/2007, 6:48 p.m. CT By SUZANNE GAMBOA
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush on Thursday said a pardon was possible for two Border Patrol agents serving prison sentences for shooting a Mexican drug dealer as he fled and then covering up the crime...

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/politics-9/1169168045313870.xml&storylist=topstories

Daily Bulletin says it obtained a transcript, yet still portrays the same interpretation - spin - as KFOX-TV none using Bush's words in chronological order...

Bush will review border agents' court case
Action gives families hope that sentences will be reduced
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_5042815

For detailed background and accurate material to take immediate action visit:

http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/

http://agentramos.blogspot.com/

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CNN's Lou Dobbs programming just as unbelievable as Fox News network.

It is revealed in passing on Dobbs program

WIAN: The president spoke about the case for the first time this week with CNN El Paso affiliate KFOX. So KFOX is a CNN affiliate, interesting.

Notice how the report of the President's interview by CNN is all out of order as far as the chronology of what was actually said in the actual interview!

CNN's Wian even goes so far as to state:

WIAN: The president spoke about the case for the first time this week with CNN El Paso affiliate KFOX. While federal prosecutors have sought to portray the agents as rogue law enforcement officers, the president engaged in no such rhetoric.


Next, the CNN report has the right words and sentences spoken by Bush, but not in chronological order!

What a mess in my opinion.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Border Patrol or law enforcement have no stronger supporter than me. There are standards that need to be met in law enforcement, and according to a jury of their peers, these officers violated some standards.

I -- on this case, people need to take a hard look at the facts, at the evidence that the jury looked at, as well as a judge. And I'll -- that's -- I will do the same thing.

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DOBBS: New developments tonight in the case of the two imprisoned former U.S. Border Patrol agents, Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos. And new indications that the border fence project is losing support both in Washington and in some towns near the border with Mexico.

Casey Wian tonight reports that President Bush says he'll take a hard look at the Ramos and Compean case -- a major development.

Bill Tucker reports on new concerns tonight being voiced about the building of that border fence.

But first, let's turn to Casey Wian in Los Angeles -- Casey.

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lou, family members of imprisoned former Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos say they've been in telephone contact with the White House, pleading for a presidential pardon. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

WIAN (voice-over): For the first time since former Texas Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean were convicted of shooting and wounding an illegal alien Mexican drug smuggler, their supporters are hopeful President Bush will intervene in a case many lawmakers of the president's own party say is an outrageous miscarriage of justice.

MARY STILLINGER, IGNACIO RAMOS' ATTORNEY: We were very excited to hear that the president will be looking into this case. I know he probably doesn't know the facts of the case right now. In our opinion, there's been a lot of misinformation issued by the U.S. Attorney's Office about this case, and we're looking forward to correcting it.

WIAN: The president spoke about the case for the first time this week with CNN El Paso affiliate KFOX. While federal prosecutors have sought to portray the agents as rogue law enforcement officers, the president engaged in no such rhetoric.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Border Patrol or law enforcement have no stronger supporter than me. There are standards that need to be met in law enforcement, and according to a jury of their peers, these officers violated some standards.

I -- on this case, people need to take a hard look at the facts, at the evidence that the jury looked at, as well as a judge. And I'll -- that's -- I will do the same thing.

WIAN: While he refused to rule out a pardon, the president did attempt to deflect the issue.

BUSH: Now, there's a process for pardons. I mean, it's -- and it's got to work its way through a system here in government. But I just want people to take a sober look at the reality.

WIAN: The reality is there's no requirement a pardon must go through that lengthy process.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SR. LEGAL ANALYST: President Bush is well within his rights if he wanted to pardon them tomorrow.

WIAN: Meanwhile, Ramos and Compean remain in protective custody. The U.S. Marshal Service says that's because they are former law enforcement officers.

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WIAN: Family members, however, say they have already received death threats, and they are very worried about the former agents' safety. Federal prisons, of course, are loaded with drug traffickers and human smugglers, the very same people Ramos and Compean dedicated their career to stopping -- Lou.

DOBBS: Casey, as you talked with the family, are they more hopeful that this president actually meant what he said when he said he would take a hard look at it, along with the rest of us, as we examine it very carefully, and as -- and have examined it carefully over these many months?

WIAN: Absolutely. They are very encouraged that White House officials who they are talking to are taking their calls. They say they are going to be relaying the messages to the president.

At one point today, Agent Ramos' family thought they were even going to get a call from the president. That didn't happen, unfortunately. But they are a lot more optimistic than they were just two or three days ago -- Lou.

DOBBS: And have we received any indication that the White House has now responded to those 55 U.S. congressmen who have sent their entreaties to the White House requesting that this White House examine this case very carefully, as they have?

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Snow: Immigration laws not enforced Presidential spokesman admits problems are obvious

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The reference to border agents obeying the law was to Snow's response several days ago, when Snow told WND that those lobbying for a presidential pardon or other intervention from the government on behalf of two former agents sentenced to prison should review the evidence.

"They (agents Jose Alonso Compean, 28, and Ignacio Ramos, 37) eventually went before a … jury – and were convicted on 11 of 12 counts, by a U.S. attorney who has prosecuted any number of cases. But the facts of this case are such that I would invite everybody to take a full look at the documented record," Snow said.

"This is not the case of the United States saying, we are not going to support people who go after drug dealers. Of course we are. We think it's incumbent to go after drug dealers, and we also think that it's vitally important to make sure that we provide border security so our people are secure," he continued.

In the past he's deflected questions about the president enforcing the laws that the U.S. already has to secure its borders and deport illegals who break the law to enter the United States.

Snow said the White House believes "that the people who are working to secure that border themselves obey the law. And in a court of law, these two agents were convicted on 11 of 12 counts by a jury of their peers after a lengthy trial at which they did have the opportunity to make their case," he said.

He said questions about the fact that the government brought the man back from Mexico and gave him immunity on charges – including a subsequent attempt to bring drugs into the United States – to testify against the agents would have to be answered by a lawyer.

Snow followed up after the press briefing by faxing 12 pages of comment about the case of the border guards, including the statement from U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, as well as a guest column he wrote for the El Paso Times in October.

"Agents Compean and Ramos were not railroaded by some over-zealous prosecutor, they were unanimously found guilty by a jury in a United States federal district court after a trial that lasted more than 2 ½ weeks," he wrote in the newspaper. "The problem for Mr. Compean and Mr. Ramos is that the jury did not believe their stories because they were not true."

"In America," he wrote, "law-enforcement officers do not get to shoot unarmed suspects who are running away, lie about it to their supervisors and file official reports that are false. That is a crime and prosecutors cannot look the other way."

Snow also faxed a six-page analysis of the case, with a list of unsigned myth-fact comparison statements...

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Border agents' prosecutor responds to critics
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AP: President Bush Would Consider Pardoning Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Drug Runner Friday, January 19, 2007

WASHINGTON — President George W. Bush left open the possibility of a pardon for two U.S. Border Patrol agents serving federal prison sentences for shooting a Mexican drug dealer as he fled and covering up the crime.

Bush said "there's a process for pardons" and the case has to work its way through the system. In an interview with KFOX-TV in El Paso, Texas, Bush said the White House will review the case, and he urged people to "take a sober look at the case."

"People need to take a tough look at the facts, the evidence a jury looked at, as well as the judge. And I will do the same thing," he said.

Several lawmakers have urged the president to pardon former Border Patrol agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos for the shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who retreated to Mexico after he was shot and later admitted he was transporting marijuana while in the U.S. illegally.

The agents began serving their sentences Wednesday — 11 years and one day for Ramos and 12 years for Compean. Both were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation.

Rancor over the convictions and sentencing of the agents has been simmering for months, and the two have become a cause celebre among conservatives and on talk shows. Their supporters have said they were defending themselves and have called them heroes. The agents' prosecution occurred as the issue of illegal immigration was being debated in Congress and amid campaigns for last November's midterm elections.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, introduced a bill Thursday calling for a congressional pardon of the agents. Congress has never issued pardons to anyone convicted of a crime, said Joe Kasper, Hunter's spokesman. But Kasper said Hunter believes there is enough ambiguity in the law on pardons to give it a try.

"Agents Compean and Ramos fulfilled their responsibilities as Border Patrol agents and rightfully pursued a suspected and fleeing drug smuggler. It is irresponsible to punish them with jail time," he said in a news release.

U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton took the unusual step of issuing a five-page document of the "myth vs. reality" of the case as the agents began serving their sentences.

The document covered everything from the claims that the former agents were just doing their jobs to reports that the shooting was at night when it actually happened about 1 p.m. on Feb. 17, 2005.

White House spokesman Tony Snow also seemed to support the agents' conviction, listing details of the case in a briefing with reporters Thursday. He said an officer hit Aldrete in the chest with a gun after he got out of his car and that "a lot of the allegations about a scuffle and discovering drugs at the scene and all that, they're simply not supported by the fact record of the case."

Texas Sen. John Cornyn said the Justice Department should have the chance to explain why the agents were prosecuted. Cornyn sent a letter to Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, asking for a hearing...

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